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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: SkinnyBenny on November 21, 2020, 05:45:16 PM
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We're currently down 45-0 with 10:14 left in the 4th Q at Iowa State, so clearly this counts. Off the top of my head, others I came up with:
--Prince losing 73-31 at Nebraska in 2007, where Joe Ganz (who?) threw for 5 TDs and 501 yards.
--Snyder 2.0 first year, losing 66-14 at Texas Tech. (And then the very next week we came back to Manhattan and beat aTm 62-14.)
What am I forgetting?
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This is an asterisk season. None of this can be “bad”.
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Who cares
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honestly, I didn’t realize that anyone gave a crapola of this season
real fans don’t
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I guess the good thing about a loss like this is that it lets us know who the true fans are.
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OU 55-0 in 2015
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It’s only a bad loss in that it illustrates that CK’s staff recruits worse than the baddest most bad of Snyder’s recruiting. We just have a Snyder 2.0 but he won’t retire and costs more.
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i like the coaches except messingham
he’s a massive failure who doesn’t have an ounce of creativity or balls
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45-21 loss to Fresno State in 2nd game of 2004 ended Sproles' Heisman hopes (?) and kinda crushed my soul.
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It’s only a bad loss in that it illustrates that CK’s staff recruits worse than the baddest most bad of Snyder’s recruiting. We just have a Snyder 2.0 but he won’t retire and costs more.
Costs significantly less
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2010 Nebraska, 48-13 on a Thursday night. Taylor Martinez ran for 200+
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2010 Nebraska, 48-13 on a Thursday night. Taylor Martinez ran for 200+
This one was really really painful
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2004 Iowa State
23-37 home loss on Darren Sproles' senior day. We are 16-1 away from Ames the last 30 years.
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2010 Nebraska, 48-13 on a Thursday night. Taylor Martinez ran for 200+
This one was really really painful
Braining that guy with a full unopened can of beer running across College street took a little of the sting out.
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2010 Nebraska, 48-13 on a Thursday night. Taylor Martinez ran for 200+
This one was really really painful
Braining that guy with a full unopened can of beer running across College street took a little of the sting out.
I caught up to y'all right after you did that.
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the ku 2008 game
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the ku 2008 game
What differentiated that from the '06 and '07 losses? I don't remember the details of any of them, I thought we got the crap kicked out of us each time.
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the ku 2008 game
What differentiated that from the '06 and '07 losses? I don't remember the details of any of them, I thought we got the crap kicked out of us each time.
well 07 we led in the fourth and in 06 we were down 7 at the end of the 3rd. 08 we were down 31-0 at halftime
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2006-11-18-kansas.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2007-10-06-kansas-state.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-11-01-kansas.html
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08 we were down 31-0 at halftime
Lol, this made me look up the scoring from yesterday to find we were down 35-0 at the half.
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08 we were down 31-0 at halftime
Lol, this made me look up the scoring from yesterday to find we were down 35-0 at the half.
oh yeah, yesterday was right up there, even though it's a fake season. I think a big difference is 08 had a third year starter NFL-caliber QB for us
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the ku 2008 game
What differentiated that from the '06 and '07 losses? I don't remember the details of any of them, I thought we got the crap kicked out of us each time.
well 07 we led in the fourth and in 06 we were down 7 at the end of the 3rd. 08 we were down 31-0 at halftime
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2006-11-18-kansas.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2007-10-06-kansas-state.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-11-01-kansas.html
Oh yeah, the '07 game was the game where Jordy burned Talib on the first drive. The stadium was turnt after that, I do not remember blowing a 4th quarter lead. That play was on the pregame highlight clip for nearly a decade.
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Nobody is mad about the actual season.
But to go out and put a big fat pile of white hot trash zero on the board against Iowa State is just :lol: :lol: :lol:
It won't matter if Massingham gets "his guys" the offense will always be a liability under that guy. He's hit his glass ceiling (again), he's not a P5 level coordinator.
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
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2009 tech is underrated and easily forgotten.
lost 66-14, down 38-0 at halftime. Tech outgained us 739-284. our first TD in 3Q was a fluke pick 6.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=292832641 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=292832641)
of course you're aware we went on to beat Texas A&M 62-14 the very next week, a team that beat Texas Tech 52-30. all very LOL worthy.
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
I mean, no one saw it coming.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/8c41749408223ef6604e307ecdc37dce.jpg)
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The offensive coordinator is always the inverse of the backup quarterback to fans in terms of popularity. Just think how good we'd be if we fired the OC and started Nick Ast.
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:lol:
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The offensive coordinator is always the inverse of the backup quarterback to fans in terms of popularity. Just think how good we'd be if we fired the OC and started Nick Ast.
Might as well just say coordinators. I don't think it's exclusive to offense.
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1993 lost 23-27 to a crappy unranked iowa state team.....we went into that game ranked no.18......a super weird stain on the beginning of the DOD.
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Defense was OK until the covid/injury bug hit.
offense is awful and the style doesn't help recruit anyone.
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Defense was OK until the covid/injury bug hit.
offense is awful and the style doesn't help recruit anyone.
If by anyone you mean future NFL WR I agree
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The offensive coordinator is always the inverse of the backup quarterback to fans in terms of popularity. Just think how good we'd be if we fired the OC and started Nick Ast.
Might as well just say coordinators. I don't think it's exclusive to offense.
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We've definitely had some DC's we like (heck we honestly like most of them) but I don't think KSU fans ever liked an OC.
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I liked Dimel a lot back in 2012.
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I liked Dimel a lot back in 2012.
Yeah and he was an idiot like the other 10 years he was here
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i liked dimel a lot but everything went out the door during that WVU game where we threw a fullback screen just before halftime that got pick 6'd or whatever. that was a fireable offense ( ;) ). after that moment i was done with him.
i like Mess tbh and think he's done a pretty good job. I'll be excited to see what we look like with a good/competent OL in 2022.
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i liked dimel a lot but everything went out the door during that WVU game where we threw a fullback screen just before halftime that got pick 6'd or whatever. that was a fireable offense ( ;) ). after that moment i was done with him.
i like Mess tbh and think he's done a pretty good job. I'll be excited to see what we look like with a good/competent OL in 2022.
After 2012 Dimel did some really creative things on offense, especially with some wild RPO's. My biggest problem was he used QB's as battering rams too much.
I think Mess is fine too. Can't do much with this OL
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Wonder how things would've played out had Holcombe stayed.
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The offensive coordinator is always the inverse of the backup quarterback to fans in terms of popularity. Just think how good we'd be if we fired the OC and started Nick Ast.
Might as well just say coordinators. I don't think it's exclusive to offense.
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We've definitely had some DC's we like (heck we honestly like most of them) but I don't think KSU fans ever liked an OC.
did we not like ron hudson? i thought we liked ron hudson...
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The offensive coordinator is always the inverse of the backup quarterback to fans in terms of popularity. Just think how good we'd be if we fired the OC and started Nick Ast.
Might as well just say coordinators. I don't think it's exclusive to offense.
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We've definitely had some DC's we like (heck we honestly like most of them) but I don't think KSU fans ever liked an OC.
did we not like ron hudson? i thought we liked ron hudson...
LHOFHCBS was the OC in DoD 1.0 so there was no point in complaining about the OC
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Wonder how things would've played out had Holcombe stayed.
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that's a good point
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The offensive coordinator is always the inverse of the backup quarterback to fans in terms of popularity. Just think how good we'd be if we fired the OC and started Nick Ast.
Might as well just say coordinators. I don't think it's exclusive to offense.
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We've definitely had some DC's we like (heck we honestly like most of them) but I don't think KSU fans ever liked an OC.
did we not like ron hudson? i thought we liked ron hudson...
oh people hated him, we ran his ass to Kentucky after a Top 10 season
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people HATED ron hudson.
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
I mean, no one saw it coming.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/8c41749408223ef6604e307ecdc37dce.jpg)
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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
I mean, no one saw it coming.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/8c41749408223ef6604e307ecdc37dce.jpg)
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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?
Eh, essentially in the article it noted how he would have one amazing series/quarter and be super frustrating the rest of the way. Feels like that part hasn't improved much.
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Defense was OK until the covid/injury bug hit.
offense is awful and the style doesn't help recruit anyone.
LOL, that offense has 3 NFL quarterbacks.
We've averaged 43 PPG against the best team in the conference, that offense is fine we need players to run it. And before anyone says something about OU's defense, only LSU scored more points in regulation against them in the last two years. We have the second and third highest regulation point totals against them since Klieman got here.
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
I mean, no one saw it coming.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/8c41749408223ef6604e307ecdc37dce.jpg)
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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?
Eh, essentially in the article it noted how he would have one amazing series/quarter and be super frustrating the rest of the way. Feels like that part hasn't improved much.
Cool. Who's the offensive coordinator that would get more points out of this team? I don't even like mess to be honest, but y'all acting like he's turned 2016 Texas Tech into Rice.
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Ron Hudson got fired at Kentucky.
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Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well. Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12. We came out of a bye week, with a starting QB we've had for over a month, and couldn't score a point against Iowa State.
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We came out of a bye week, with a starting QB we've had for over a month, and couldn't score a point against Iowa State.
with a "generational player" (coach's own words) at RB
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Defense was OK until the covid/injury bug hit.
offense is awful and the style doesn't help recruit anyone.
LOL, that offense has 3 NFL quarterbacks.
We've averaged 43 PPG against the best team in the conference, that offense is fine we need players to run it. And before anyone says something about OU's defense, only LSU scored more points in regulation against them in the last two years. We have the second and third highest regulation point totals against them since Klieman got here.
blind squirrel
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I actually agree that with the players, it's fine. To run it effectively and consistently they're going to have to recruit and coach a heck of a lot better.
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I actually agree that with the players, it's fine. To run it effectively and consistently they're going to have to recruit and coach a heck of a lot better.
I think they're recruiting adequately for the system tbh. It's just that our current personnel isn't cut out for that (or any other system) right now. Once we get some decent OL in there that can actually run block from time to time or some WRs that can garner respect, or a QB that can make throws, I think we'll be better off.
People throwing a fit about MESS this year are lfbiq and frankly it's just...sad...really.
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oh the offense is bad? it can only be the offensive coordinator's fault!
:flush:
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also, obviously the performance sucked, but people are acting like this was a 3-9 Paul Rhodes Iowa State team. They're actually pretty good!
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also, obviously the performance sucked, but people are acting like this was a 3-9 Paul Rhodes Iowa State team. They're actually pretty good!
i'm not ready for that mentally
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also, obviously the performance sucked, but people are acting like this was a 3-9 Paul Rhodes Iowa State team. They're actually pretty good!
i'm not ready for that mentally
It's fleeting
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Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well. Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.
I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.
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Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well. Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.
I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.
even with the recent struggles I doubt we finish in the bottom 3 in turnovers.
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Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well. Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.
I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.
This is true, but we were also in that position because our defense played lights out most of the night (and also Tylan Wallace was out). All that to say, yes, we were in a position to win, but scoring 18-25 points isn't going to get done most weeks unless the heavy lifting is being done by the defense.
It's fair to say that the offense has flat out sucked since Thompson's exit, which shouldn't really be surprising since he was our most important player and one of our 3 or 4 decent players on offense, and his replacement is a true freshman who isn't very good right now. I don't think any of that is an indicator on whether or not MESS is or isn't a capable OC.
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oh the offense is bad? it can only be the offensive coordinator's fault!
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exact point I destroyed the Boscoe boys with on twitter
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Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well. Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.
I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.
This is true, but we were also in that position because our defense played lights out most of the night (and also Tylan Wallace was out). All that to say, yes, we were in a position to win, but scoring 18-25 points isn't going to get done most weeks unless the heavy lifting is being done by the defense.
It's fair to say that the offense has flat out sucked since Thompson's exit, which shouldn't really be surprising since he was our most important player and one of our 3 or 4 decent players on offense, and his replacement is a true freshman who isn't very good right now. I don't think any of that is an indicator on whether or not MESS is or isn't a capable OC.
Agreed
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if they lose to baylor my god, barf
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if they lose to baylor my god, barf
Are you setting up for an inevitable meltdown? There is no reason to have any expectations of this team right now. I'm assuming they're going to lose out, including losing a bowl as a 4-6 team, and will be pleasantly surprised if they do otherwise.
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55-0 at home vs OU would be my choice
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2004, blowing a 23-9 4th quarter lead at home against ISU to lose 37-23.
Also 2004, getting destroyed at home by Fresno State. 2004 was just a really rough season to follow 2003 with.
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2004, blowing a 23-9 4th quarter lead at home against ISU to lose 37-23.
Also 2004, getting destroyed at home by Fresno State. 2004 was just a really rough season to follow 2003 with.
all that with a *true* generational player at RB!
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if they lose to baylor my god, barf
Are you setting up for an inevitable meltdown? There is no reason to have any expectations of this team right now. I'm assuming they're going to lose out, including losing a bowl as a 4-6 team, and will be pleasantly surprised if they do otherwise.
This is kind of where I'm at, though I'm holding out hope due to the wildness of this Covid season.
We basically trotted out the same team (sum, not parts) against Arkansas State and Iowa State, except we still had Skylar vs ASU. Iowa State ( :Yuck:) is good, and whipped our asses accordingly.
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think bubba brown never making it to kstate was truly the greatest cats loss of the modern era
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think bubba brown never making it to kstate was truly the greatest cats loss of the modern era
No, it will always be Cody Lee Smith.
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
I mean, no one saw it coming.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/8c41749408223ef6604e307ecdc37dce.jpg)
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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?
Eh, essentially in the article it noted how he would have one amazing series/quarter and be super frustrating the rest of the way. Feels like that part hasn't improved much.
Cool. Who's the offensive coordinator that would get more points out of this team? I don't even like mess to be honest, but y'all acting like he's turned 2016 Texas Tech into Rice.
Mess is ultimately fine. I think he's actually pretty creative with alot of his play designs.
Ive complained since last year that he goes Snyder 2.0 conservative play calling during stretches. Then we have to hope for defense/ST to have a huge play to bail them out. Thankfully for statie, it seems to be happen alot.
Last year at Texas is the one that comes to mind. 14 points first 2 drives on great play calls.....then nothing until Youngblood returned one in the 4th.
I'll admit when he came with Klieman I wish he would've hired Polacek. But talking to enough Bison fans i was convinced Mess was a much better OC.
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yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage. Anything works when you have the best players on the field.
I mean, no one saw it coming.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/8c41749408223ef6604e307ecdc37dce.jpg)
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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?
Eh, essentially in the article it noted how he would have one amazing series/quarter and be super frustrating the rest of the way. Feels like that part hasn't improved much.
Cool. Who's the offensive coordinator that would get more points out of this team? I don't even like mess to be honest, but y'all acting like he's turned 2016 Texas Tech into Rice.
Mess is ultimately fine. I think he's actually pretty creative with alot of his play designs.
Ive complained since last year that he goes Snyder 2.0 conservative play calling during stretches. Then we have to hope for defense/ST to have a huge play to bail them out. Thankfully for statie, it seems to be happen alot.
Last year at Texas is the one that comes to mind. 14 points first 2 drives on great play calls.....then nothing until Youngblood returned one in the 4th.
I'll admit when he came with Klieman I wish he would've hired Polacek. But talking to enough Bison fans i was convinced Mess was a much better OC.
This is also my issue with him. 3rd quarter versus Arkansas State and OSU were disgusting.
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I have a funny feeling this thread is going to get a lot of action over the next few years (if this BBS lasts that long of course).
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I have a funny feeling this thread is going to get a lot of action over the next few years
Not if apathy sets in. If what you think will happen actually happens either tonight or last week will be Klieman's Waterloo.
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I have a funny feeling this thread is going to get a lot of action over the next few years
Not if apathy sets in. If what you think will happen actually happens either tonight or last week will be Klieman's Waterloo.
Do you mean Abba's hit song that won Eurovision and launched their international career to new heights?
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This one was Rhoadsesque
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I was just about to say when did we become Iowa state?
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I was just about to say when did we become Iowa state?
Three times. Before LHC Bill Snyder was hired, and twice more after each retirement.
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I was just about to say when did we become Iowa state?
Three times. Before LHC Bill Snyder was hired, and twice more after each retirement.
Did you remember Bill's last game vs Baylor?
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I was just about to say when did we become Iowa state?
Three times. Before LHC Bill Snyder was hired, and twice more after each retirement.
Did you remember Bill's last game vs Baylor?
Or his last game against Iowa State
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Bump
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The deuce sex touchdown run and 10 first half points make this game ineligible for consideration
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i like the coaches except messingham
he’s a massive failure who doesn’t have an ounce of creativity or balls
preach
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Fresno State loss at home that announced the end of the DOD.
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Fresno State loss at home that announced the end of the DOD.
We started that one with a pick 6 too!
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The home loss to Marshall 2003 was ugly
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The home loss to Marshall 2003 was ugly
Very ugly fugly.
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OU in 2015 was awful
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OU in 2015 was awful
Yes, very, only game I ever left at halftime and never went back
The home loss to Marshall 2003 was ugly
How could I forget that one too, just, so sad.
Very ugly fugly.
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That Marshall game sucked but you could see that coming when Ell went down, definitely after Jeff Schwinn had the second worst fumble in K-State history.
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The loss to Arky St last year was pretty gross
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That Marshall game sucked but you could see that coming when Ell went down, definitely after Jeff Schwinn had the second worst fumble in K-State history.
What fumble do you consider the worst?
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St. Louis
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St. Louis
Most definitely the worst loss, up 19 pts at the start of 4th quarter... Everyone looked like Zombies leaving that building...Gut wrenching
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St. Louis
Most definitely the worst loss, up 19 pts at the start of 4th quarter... Everyone looked like Zombies leaving that building...Gut wrenching
Score was 27-12 at the start of the 4th quarter. We laid a goosegg in the 4th too. So not 19 points, but 15. Still awful.
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St. Louis
Most definitely the worst loss, up 19 pts at the start of 4th quarter... Everyone looked like Zombies leaving that building...Gut wrenching
Score was 27-12 at the start of the 4th quarter. We laid a goosegg in the 4th too. So not 19 points, but 15. Still awful.
My bad on the score