Ruth Bader Ginsberg Dies at 87

[Phil Titola]

I feel like the Republican establishment is in the worst position on this.  They have no real win out of this. 

[Dugout DickStone]

It is extremely interesting to consider that trump would increase his chances by not having a vote.

[SkinnyBenny]

On Monday, Sept. 21, Pod Save America released an episode of their podcast that I think was called "RBG and the Fight To Come." Really well-done episode where they slice and dice all the possible outcomes and situations, and go deep on why expanding the court is going to be an absolute necessity in the next few years.

[chum1]

This seems like something they wouldn't do, but should.

https://twitter.com/JonWalkerDC/status/1309543470957174785

[Phil Titola]

It is extremely interesting to consider that trump would increase his chances by not having a vote.

He isn't playing 3D chess like I am.

[michigancat]

I feel like the Republican establishment is in the worst position on this.  They have no real win out of this. 

the win is filling the seat with Trump's nomination. it's probably worth more than anything they'd give up

[Rage Against the McKee]

I feel like the Republican establishment is in the worst position on this.  They have no real win out of this. 

the win is filling the seat with Trump's nomination. it's probably worth more than anything they'd give up

Unless they lose the senate and the dems pack the court. Then they don't gain anything.

[ChiComCat]

I feel like the Republican establishment is in the worst position on this.  They have no real win out of this. 

the win is filling the seat with Trump's nomination. it's probably worth more than anything they'd give up

Unless they lose the senate and the dems pack the court. Then they don't gain anything.

I don't trust the Democrats to follow through on packing the court

[michigancat]

I feel like the Republican establishment is in the worst position on this.  They have no real win out of this. 

the win is filling the seat with Trump's nomination. it's probably worth more than anything they'd give up

Unless they lose the senate and the dems pack the court. Then they don't gain anything.

They wouldn't lose the senate because of the quick nomination (IMO)

and as chicat alluded dems like to think they have higher moral standards

[Phil Titola]

I feel like the Republican establishment is in the worst position on this.  They have no real win out of this. 

the win is filling the seat with Trump's nomination. it's probably worth more than anything they'd give up

I mean yes that's a win but big picture I think it turns into an overall negative.  They get the backlash of pushing through a nomination, the nominee will probably have to be more moderate to get it in so quick.  I guess another positive would be they can not vote for Trump and feel better about it since they already got their justice in.

[Kat Kid]

On Monday, Sept. 21, Pod Save America released an episode of their podcast that I think was called "RBG and the Fight To Come." Really well-done episode where they slice and dice all the possible outcomes and situations, and go deep on why expanding the court is going to be an absolute necessity in the next few years.

I would recommend not getting any insights on how politics work from the Pod Save America guys.  You'd be better off understanding that the Republicans are going to do this and the Democrats aren't going to do anything that could stop them.

[steve dave]

I cannot listen to them on any topic. It’s awful.


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[star seed 7]

I've tried because 'clams is a big fan, but it's def not for me

[Kat Kid]

I cannot listen to them on any topic. It’s awful.


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yep.

[sys]

my first reaction was that they'd wait until after the election for the senate vote, but on second thought, they may not worry about it.  if they can push it through before, they may do that.  they can let collins vote against, if she thinks that helps her, and it's far from certain it would hurt anyone else.

at any rate, a sc justice is worth losing a senator or two, if there is an electoral penalty.

[chum1]

There is more unforseen circumstances risk with waiting until after. I think McConnell would straight up trade control of the senate for a justice if offered.

[wetwillie]

No way they wait

[MakeItRain]

There is more unforseen circumstances risk with waiting until after. I think McConnell would straight up trade control of the senate for a justice if offered.

I feel like that would be short sighted. I feel like this entire thing is short sighted and based out of the fear of a trump loss.

The Republicans could have made a big deal about waiting until after the election, the senators in trouble could make a big deal about being uniters, gain some points, and steal momentum. At the absolute very worst a moderate judge gets confirmed by Biden, and they still have a 5-4 conservative majority. They will still get to gut obamacare this fall with only 8 justices. Now they look completely foolish by pushing this through, the democrats can spend the entire month of October making these senators look like fools. When the dems use this to gain a majority in the senate, they may or may not pack the SC, but they have definitely gotten the green light to take some big swings at reforms.

[DaBigTrain]

Confirm now you impact change for decades, wait and you maybe do but also could make it more balanced.  I agree with chum1

[puniraptor]

I think I'm probably a textualist

[catastrophe]

There is more unforseen circumstances risk with waiting until after. I think McConnell would straight up trade control of the senate for a justice if offered.

I feel like that would be short sighted. I feel like this entire thing is short sighted and based out of the fear of a trump loss.

The Republicans could have made a big deal about waiting until after the election, the senators in trouble could make a big deal about being uniters, gain some points, and steal momentum. At the absolute very worst a moderate judge gets confirmed by Biden, and they still have a 5-4 conservative majority. They will still get to gut obamacare this fall with only 8 justices. Now they look completely foolish by pushing this through, the democrats can spend the entire month of October making these senators look like fools. When the dems use this to gain a majority in the senate, they may or may not pack the SC, but they have definitely gotten the green light to take some big swings at reforms.

I don’t think looking foolish has been a concern for Republicans for the last 2-3 years.

[chum1]

There is more unforeseen circumstances risk with waiting until after.

Good point here. They can't afford to risk losing any votes.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1311264250766204928

[CNS]

The few people I talk politics with are voting Trump because they are worried about their guns being taken away.  Maybe a right court will help alleviate that so that a lot of center-right midwesterners can stop voting every single office based that wedge issue.  I mean, if this is a possibility, whatevs, lets try a right court for a while. 

[MakeItRain]

The few people I talk politics with are voting Trump because they are worried about their guns being taken away.  Maybe a right court will help alleviate that so that a lot of center-right midwesterners can stop voting every single office based that wedge issue.  I mean, if this is a possibility, whatevs, lets try a right court for a while.

[SkinnyBenny]

The few people I talk politics with are voting Trump because they are worried about their guns being taken away.  Maybe a right court will help alleviate that so that a lot of center-right midwesterners can stop voting every single office based that wedge issue.  I mean, if this is a possibility, whatevs, lets try a right court for a while.

You have to remember: these people are stupid. A 6-3 conservative Supreme Court would not alleviate their fears at all, because, well, they're too stupid to see the bigger picture. They eagerly lap up the red meat that their local and federal politicians throw out to get them foaming at the mouth, even though the things they're throwing out are not based in any reality whatsoever. Do you think those politicians will STOP fear-mongering about evil Democrats coming to take their guns once there's a 6-3 court? Of course not, they know it excites the vast swath of stupid people in their base who believe every word of it no matter how divorced from reality and history it is.