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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2020, 10:55:09 PM »
I had forgotten what it was like to have a true/legit point guard. Kind of amazing that it's been 10 years since we've had one.

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OMG I feel terrible I had forgotten about Angel.  :frown:

Kam was a better point guard than Angel in literally every way imaginable.

MiR, sorry, you're wrong about this one. angel's as good or better at every advanced stat with a higher usage rate

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/angel-rodriguez-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kamau-stokes-1.html

Yep, I saw that and determined that because Kam played with Barry as his other guard and Angel had Will rough ridin' Spradling and Manu Lecompte that Kam was better. I do think Angel is better equipped to have a high usage rate though, he's a poor man's Cartier Diarra. Kam was much more JYC than Angel could ever hope to be.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2020, 11:44:32 PM »
Kam was honorable mention all-B12 once. Angel was 2nd team and 1st team all defense as a sophomore. Plus Angel was better than Kam in basically everu way.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2020, 11:50:28 PM »

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2020, 01:44:16 AM »
I had forgotten what it was like to have a true/legit point guard. Kind of amazing that it's been 10 years since we've had one.

7 years.



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OMG I feel terrible I had forgotten about Angel.  :frown:

Kam was a better point guard than Angel in literally every way imaginable.

MiR, sorry, you're wrong about this one. angel's as good or better at every advanced stat with a higher usage rate

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/angel-rodriguez-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kamau-stokes-1.html

Yep, I saw that and determined that because Kam played with Barry as his other guard and Angel had Will rough ridin' Spradling and Manu Lecompte that Kam was better. I do think Angel is better equipped to have a high usage rate though, he's a poor man's Cartier Diarra. Kam was much more JYC than Angel could ever hope to be.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2020, 06:43:19 AM »
I’m wracking my brain for the manu lecompte reference and it isn’t coming :frown:
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2020, 09:38:15 AM »
MiR were you trolling us? You sly dog.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2020, 10:57:13 AM »
Angel might be the most overrated/hyped player oat at K-State.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2020, 12:03:32 PM »
Angel might be the most overrated/hyped player oat at K-State.
Complete list of K-State players to make 2nd team Big XII or better by sophomore year:

1. Beasley (1st, Fr.)
2. Foster (2nd, Fr.)
3. Angel (2nd, So.)

Pullen made honorable mention, Walker and McGruder each made 3rd team.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2020, 12:08:53 PM »
Those honorable mention players you just listed have logged way more minutes in the league than Angel. His failed attempt vs La Salle at the end of that comeback is what I’ll remember him for. He was a set shooter and couldn’t create his own shot. People love him because he was attached to Frank for awhile and was lil and saucy and the closest thing we could get to a Denis clone at that time. I don’t hate him, but his best year was due to Weber’s offense and then he left and thrived at Miami.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2020, 12:10:30 PM »
I’m wracking my brain for the manu lecompte reference and it isn’t coming :frown:

He was Angel's 2 guard his junior year at Miami.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2020, 12:10:58 PM »
Also, people forget this, but Kam’s projectory was set to be better than Brown’s before all of his injuries. He took over that North Carolina game. I really wonder where he would have ended up if the injuries didn’t occur.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2020, 12:13:22 PM »
Angel might be the most overrated/hyped player oat at K-State.
Complete list of K-State players to make 2nd team Big XII or better by sophomore year:

1. Beasley (1st, Fr.)
2. Foster (2nd, Fr.)
3. Angel (2nd, So.)

Pullen made honorable mention, Walker and McGruder each made 3rd team.

Which should probably tell you that's a pretty poor metric of how to evaluate him compared to other recent K-State players.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2020, 12:21:50 PM »
MiR were you trolling us? You sly dog.

I know that I don't have a statistical leg to stand on, but I do think that it should be accounted for that Angel had to do more. Angel never had to play with players like Brown and Wade, and I don't think he would have been a great fit. Also Kam was a much better defender, I'll never forget how badly Angel got cooked by Brady Heslip.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2020, 12:51:53 PM »
Those honorable mention players you just listed have logged way more minutes in the league than Angel. His failed attempt vs La Salle at the end of that comeback is what I’ll remember him for. He was a set shooter and couldn’t create his own shot. People love him because he was attached to Frank for awhile and was lil and saucy and the closest thing we could get to a Denis clone at that time. I don’t hate him, but his best year was due to Weber’s offense and then he left and thrived at Miami.

If throwing lobs to JO is a set shot I agree with this.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2020, 12:57:20 PM »
Those honorable mention players you just listed have logged way more minutes in the league than Angel. His failed attempt vs La Salle at the end of that comeback is what I’ll remember him for. He was a set shooter and couldn’t create his own shot. People love him because he was attached to Frank for awhile and was lil and saucy and the closest thing we could get to a Denis clone at that time. I don’t hate him, but his best year was due to Weber’s offense and then he left and thrived at Miami.

If throwing lobs to JO is a set shot I agree with this.

Throwing lobs to JO is the far and away the most elite thing he did, maybe the most elite thing anything in a K-State uniform has ever done.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2020, 12:58:29 PM »
Agreed. Still not a top 50 cat tho.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2020, 01:03:11 PM »
between that and junk yard assists for ORebs, he was so much fun.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2020, 01:51:48 PM »
He was a starting PG and 2nd team all conference on a championship team, weird to not love him.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2020, 02:44:51 PM »
I’m wracking my brain for the manu lecompte reference and it isn’t coming :frown:

He was Angel's 2 guard his junior year at Miami.

And he was no Sheldon McClellan or Davon Reed.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2020, 02:59:45 PM »
I’m wracking my brain for the manu lecompte reference and it isn’t coming :frown:

He was Angel's 2 guard his junior year at Miami.

And he was no Sheldon McClellan or Davon Reed.

Davon Reed, lol. Did you just look at the roster on the bb ref page and see that Reed played in the NBA? McClellan was a baller, I'll give you that.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2020, 04:13:00 PM »
I’m wracking my brain for the manu lecompte reference and it isn’t coming :frown:

He was Angel's 2 guard his junior year at Miami.

And he was no Sheldon McClellan or Davon Reed.

Davon Reed, lol. Did you just look at the roster on the bb ref page and see that Reed played in the NBA? McClellan was a baller, I'll give you that.

Def had to look at the page to know who Manu Lecompte was.  Besides the NBA thing, it showed that McClellan and Reed were the two guards that played the most minutes along with Angel, and that Lecompte was smaller than Angel.  McClellan and Reed were also the 2 and 3 with Angel at the 1 at the 2nd-to-last college basketball game I've ever been to!

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2020, 06:36:10 PM »
He was a starting PG and 2nd team all conference on a championship team, weird to not love him.
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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2020, 06:42:10 PM »
Isn't McGruder still on the Clippers?

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2020, 06:56:48 PM »
Isn't McGruder still on the Clippers?
Yes, almost inactive. Great point.

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Re: Denis & the Dobermans v Xavier replay
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2020, 10:42:32 PM »
Isn't McGruder still on the Clippers?
Yes, almost inactive. Great point.

He played 21 minutes in their last game.