Courtney Messingham is a proven loser

[catbacker 73]

  this doesn't even really need to be said at this point, but who the OC is doesn't matter until we get better talent. FIRE DIMEL became FIRE COLEMAN became FIRE MESSINGHAM. it's a constant cycle of crap because we roll out Dalton Gruntley and a rough ridin' Weber as two of the main options to throw to.

Just so. After 3-4 years of HCCK putting his people in, there's where the difference will come.

Chris Klieman’s attempt to carry over LHC Bill Snyder’s physical and disciplined approach to football has a chance to be a shock to the Big 12 and put the Wildcats back in contention, but it’s going to come down to recruiting. Not whether Klieman can recruit Texas or the south for skill athletes like the other programs around the league, but whether he can find the same kinds of big framed, physical bullies that he built the Bison dynasty around. If he can, the skill athletes from the JUCOs, Oklahoma, Texas, and Missouri are going to flock to Manhattan.

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state

[nicname]

CAN HIS ASS.

[Winters]

Needs to be fired immediately.

[wiley]

Needs to be fired immediately.

I’ll be his contract is renewed for another 2 or 3 years.

[PurpleOil]

He's complete trash and should never be employed at this University again

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I wonder if mangino is taking calls

[MakeItRain]

Man even Matt Walters, who is employed by K-State athletics to be a propagandist, is killing mess in the post game show and referencing Klieman cooking him in his comments.

[steve dave]

When you’ve lost chili dog you’ve lost

[nicname]

All of this is good news


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[muqluk]

[MakeItRain]

Holy crap he's definitely hit his expiration date for any one school. We can't be like forever losers Iowa State and keep him here for 5 years.

Man, don't hire your friends for jobs. This is going to change his friendship with Klieman forever. Either they ride this out eventually ending with both of them getting fired when Gene retires or Klieman fires him to salvage his program.

[outofstate]

are there any coaches on the offense worth keeping? Riley? Anderson?

[muqluk]

Too lazy to actually look for myself but I do wonder what his overall record as an OC looks like.

Then what it looks like subtracting NDSU

[MakeItRain]

are there any coaches on the offense worth keeping? Riley? Anderson?

I'm fine with anyone other than the person calling plays. Our offense isn't great to watch, or recruit to, it lessens the margin of error, and the play calling is schizophrenic.

The position coaches need to recruit and develop. Both of these things need to improve but in both cases it's too early to hit three reset button. A program like ours needs to develop continuity and consistency

[Kid In the Hall]

are there any coaches on the offense worth keeping? Riley? Anderson?

I'm fine with anyone other than the person calling plays. Our offense isn't great to watch, or recruit to, it lessens the margin of error, and the play calling is schizophrenic.

The position coaches need to recruit and develop. Both of these things need to improve but in both cases it's too early to hit three reset button. A program like ours needs to develop continuity and consistency

Aside from Messingham, Ray would be a top target for a pink slip. Gundy fired him after 2 years as WR coach at OSU and then he toiled in FCS until being picked up off the scrap heap. The fact that he was essentially demoted for this year (from WR coach to TE/FB coach) isn't a great sign...

[MakeItRain]

https://twitter.com/kstated/status/1464415328759332865

[catastrophe]

My faith in the KSU FB program would be restored if we hired a new outside OC. It’s sad I’m skeptical that will happen even though it’s objectively the right call.

[tdaver]

https://twitter.com/cole_manbeck/status/1464456900792225795?s=21

[Houstoncat93]

https://twitter.com/cole_manbeck/status/1464456900792225795?s=21

15 avg yards per drive
4.3 yards per play
2.4 yards per play when you take out the KU 75 yarder
1.27 points per drive
0 turnovers  (had to find something positive in that stinking pile of rancid crap)

[PurpleOil]

It's 8:23am and Courtney Messingham is still somehow employed

[wetwillie]

It's 8:23am and Courtney Messingham is still somehow employed

He’s going to retire. They will give him that dignity.

[Houstoncat93]

2020 was almost as bad.



https://twitter.com/Cole_Manbeck/status/1464615030092177419?s=20



https://twitter.com/Cole_Manbeck/status/1464620658927747073?s=20

[outofstate]

are there any coaches on the offense worth keeping? Riley? Anderson?

I'm fine with anyone other than the person calling plays. Our offense isn't great to watch, or recruit to, it lessens the margin of error, and the play calling is schizophrenic.

The position coaches need to recruit and develop. Both of these things need to improve but in both cases it's too early to hit three reset button. A program like ours needs to develop continuity and consistency

I agree that isn't time to blow it up, but Ray was demoted after last year and I don't think he has done enough to retain him, especially if you can upgrade. No doubt CM needs to go whether he is fired, moves on or retires. just needs to 

[Purple Derpathy]

Other than our RB and OLine coach, they can let them all go. Not sure on Colin K......could go either way

[Cire]

crap don’t give Anderson a pass

He’s had 3 years to make jacardia ready and he’s unplayable apparently


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