Courtney Messingham is a proven loser

[Purple Derpathy]

Puzzling how, after looking at the last ~10-15 years of Messingham’s resume - and the stats for those teams during his tenures, anyone would bother defending him.

If true, more puzzling would be that he got hired.

You miss the the last 9 pages of him being best buds with Kleigoober? He wasn't hired for his history of success....

[MakeItRain]

Puzzling how, after looking at the last ~10-15 years of Messingham’s resume - and the stats for those teams during his tenures, anyone would bother defending him.

If true, more puzzling would be that he got hired.

You miss the the last 9 pages of him being best buds with Kleigoober? He wasn't hired for his history of success....

I mean he had back to back national championships as an offensive coordinator immediately before taking the job, but I'm sure you knew that.

[DQ12]

Mess needs to GO. 

CLEAN THE MESS

[stunted]

can we stop defending him? he was a questionable hire and given his history with bff kleiman should be looked at with extra scrutiny

[Cire]

Yeah. There is nothing in his history that says he should be coordinating a power 5 offense.

He’s here because his buddy threw him a bone at North Dakota state


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[Cire]

His 30+ year resume is incredibly underwhelming


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[nicname]

His 30+ year resume is incredibly underwhelming


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What if I told you that our offense this season was the best he's ever had at the FBS level?

[michigancat]

Who are some folks that SHOULD be hired based on their resumes?

[wetwillie]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

[michigancat]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

Is the offense really THAT unique or is it just designed to limit turnovers and go at a slow pace? I'd probably look at low TO rate offenses, pace is easy to control. I might do that later today.

[Cire]

I mean JFC

This was almost exactly a year ago!

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2020/12/02/kansas-state-may-have-itself-an-offensive-coordinator-problem/

[Cire]

1990 St. Ambrose [Iowa] (Graduate Assistant)
1991-92 St. Ambrose [Iowa] (Offensive Coordinator/QB)
1993-94 Iowa Lakes CC (Offensive Coordinator/QB)
1995-96 Truman State (Running Backs/Tight Ends)
1997-98 Truman State (Offensive Coordinator)
1999 Missouri State (Wide Receivers/Tight Ends)
2000-02 Missouri State (Offensive Coordinator)
2003-04 Upper Iowa (Head Coach)
2005-06 Southern Miss (Wide Receivers)
2007 Southern Miss (Running Backs)
2008 Missouri State (Special Teams Coordinator/WR)
2009-10 Iowa State (Tight Ends)
2011 Iowa State (Wide Receivers)
2012-13 Iowa State (Offensive Coordinator/QB)
2014-15 Indiana (Offensive/Special Teams Quality Control)
2016 Montana State (Offensive Coordinator/QB)
2017-18 North Dakota State (Offensive Coordinator/RB)
2019-20 Kansas State (Offensive Coordinator/TE/FB)
2021 Kansas State (Offensive Coordinator/WR)


The ONLY reason he got hired at NDS was because of his friendship.

He was a failed coach

[muqluk]

Seems like he must be a reasonably good positional coach - just terrible OC

Otherwise he wouldnt have been promoted so many times only to end in short tenures as OC

[Cire]

He gets hired as a position coach at awful/failing programs and works his way up to coordinator because everyone else left/got fired.

Truman State and missouri state were both garbage when he was there.

ISU/Rhoades enough said

Indiana he was Stanton Weber

Montana state won like 3 games

[yoga-like_abana]

Seems like he must be a reasonably good positional coach - just terrible OC

Otherwise he wouldnt have been promoted so many times only to end in short tenures as OC

Think it's more because he's nice and well liked by his peers

[Maccat]

Seems like he must be a reasonably good positional coach - just terrible OC

Otherwise he wouldnt have been promoted so many times only to end in short tenures as OC

Think it's more because he's nice and well liked by his peers

And hated by the fans.  During the ISU game sat by one of those hayseeds and he was laughing at us that we wouldn't fire Mess.

[michigancat]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

you know what's also really tough is that Mess led a top 40 offense this year according to most advanced stats. Most teams ahead are P5, and we're not gonna poach a sitting P5 OC unless they are foolishly undervalued..

Like, on the FEI offensive ratings, Fresno's offense was ranked #65 and (121st in turnovers so Grubb would definitely be a no-go).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2020

This guy would be interesting, low turnovers, runs a run-heavy offense, coached in west texas and at Eastern Illinois:

https://kentstatesports.com/staff-directory/andrew-sowder/309

But I'd probably go harder after this guy - low turnovers the last two seasons, just below KSU in efficiency this year (seems like he will be in demand):

https://goutsa.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/barry-lunney-jr-/1188

[Cire]

Mess did great with deuce and skylar.

[michigancat]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

you know what's also really tough is that Mess led a top 40 offense this year according to most advanced stats. Most teams ahead are P5, and we're not gonna poach a sitting P5 OC unless they are foolishly undervalued..

Like, on the FEI offensive ratings, Fresno's offense was ranked #65 and (121st in turnovers so Grubb would definitely be a no-go).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2020

looking at this I would definitely give Mike Bobo a call

[wetwillie]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

you know what's also really tough is that Mess led a top 40 offense this year according to most advanced stats. Most teams ahead are P5, and we're not gonna poach a sitting P5 OC unless they are foolishly undervalued..

Like, on the FEI offensive ratings, Fresno's offense was ranked #65 and (121st in turnovers so Grubb would definitely be a no-go).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2020

looking at this I would definitely give Mike Bobo a call

I’d kill a drifter for Mike Bobo

[michigancat]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

you know what's also really tough is that Mess led a top 40 offense this year according to most advanced stats. Most teams ahead are P5, and we're not gonna poach a sitting P5 OC unless they are foolishly undervalued..

Like, on the FEI offensive ratings, Fresno's offense was ranked #65 and (121st in turnovers so Grubb would definitely be a no-go).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2020

looking at this I would definitely give Mike Bobo a call

I’d kill a drifter for Mike Bobo

I mean what's his play? be a QC coach for Saban? Position coach for an SEC school? I can't imagine he'd get an OC job in the SEC. Seems like he'd be attainable.

[michigancat]

It’s an exercise in futility because Klieman appears dead set on running this specific offense and basically no one else runs it.  TCU went and got Garrett Riley, you’d think Scheelhase would be a candidate if we let him run what he wanted to. You start looking at G5 OC’s like Ryan Grubb or QB coach like Jason Beck at Virginia

you know what's also really tough is that Mess led a top 40 offense this year according to most advanced stats. Most teams ahead are P5, and we're not gonna poach a sitting P5 OC unless they are foolishly undervalued..

Like, on the FEI offensive ratings, Fresno's offense was ranked #65 and (121st in turnovers so Grubb would definitely be a no-go).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2020

looking at this I would definitely give Mike Bobo a call

I’d kill a drifter for Mike Bobo

I mean what's his play? be a QC coach for Saban? Position coach for an SEC school? I can't imagine he'd get an OC job in the SEC. Seems like he'd be attainable.

He had a 3 year contract for $1.3 million/year. If I were him I'd go do QC for Saban or Kirby until the firing stink wears off. KSU would barely pay him half that.

[wetwillie]

I bet we could find 900k for Bobo.  We offered Hazelton that to stay.

[Purple Derpathy]

Puzzling how, after looking at the last ~10-15 years of Messingham’s resume - and the stats for those teams during his tenures, anyone would bother defending him.

If true, more puzzling would be that he got hired.

You miss the the last 9 pages of him being best buds with Kleigoober? He wasn't hired for his history of success....

I mean he had back to back national championships as an offensive coordinator immediately before taking the job, but I'm sure you knew that.

Lol. I suppose you knew they also won 4 national championships in the 5 years before he got there in addition to the one immediately thereafter. Much like any OC/DC at Alabama, you're going to be successful regardless of how bad you suck as an individual. 

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Puzzling how, after looking at the last ~10-15 years of Messingham’s resume - and the stats for those teams during his tenures, anyone would bother defending him.

If true, more puzzling would be that he got hired.

You miss the the last 9 pages of him being best buds with Kleigoober? He wasn't hired for his history of success....

Then the problem isn’t messingham.