Killing babies at 9 months

[catastrophe]

Did you just add “debilitating” in your endorsement because you’re uncomfortable using the actual text of the bill?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Did you just add “debilitating” in your endorsement because you’re uncomfortable using the actual text of the bill?

I just have a hard time imagining what sort of health conditions you are worried will make women feel like they need an abortion that aren't debilitating.

[catastrophe]

Giving birth is always a health risk, and postpartum depression is a serious health condition. Do you disagree with either of those statements?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Giving birth is always a health risk, and postpartum depression is a serious health condition. Do you disagree with either of those statements?

yes

[catastrophe]

Well then I suggest you read up on postpartum depression and uterine rupture.

[catastrophe]

Also this: https://usatoday.com/amp/546889002

[Rage Against the McKee]

That is thousands out of millions, catastrophe. Also, medical issues that arise from time to time is not the same thing as having a known medical risk a particular person is susceptible to. Those risks are known to the mother well in advance, and I have a difficult time believing the mother would choose to end a pregnancy after the first 6 months due to those concerns. The New York law is written for people who want kids.

[catastrophe]

That is thousands out of millions, catastrophe. Also, medical issues that arise from time to time is not the same thing as having a known medical risk a particular person is susceptible to. Those risks are known to the mother well in advance, and I have a difficult time believing the mother would choose to end a pregnancy after the first 6 months due to those concerns. The New York law is written for people who want kids.

I think both sides of the aisle are going to agree that very few people want to have an abortion ever, and only the tiniest number will WANT to have an abortion in the third trimester.

The only issue I’m focused on is this: should that small number of people who WANT (not need) a third trimester abortion be allowed to get one? The NY law is vague enough that it is seems to allow that. Kind of like states with medical marijuana laws where anyone can get a prescription.

[catastrophe]

Although now I’m also pissed you seem so flippant about postpartum depression.

A recent article by Drs. Stewart and Vigod published in the New England Journal of Medicine explores postpartum depression, this potentially debilitating condition that affects between 6.5% and 12.9% of new mothers.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/postpartum-depression-worst-kept-secret-2017020811008

[Phil Titola]

A little sympathy for women going through something that requires a late term action would be great ITT.

[420seriouscat69]

Everything ok today, Phil?

[Phil Titola]

Everything ok today, Phil?

Excellent Friday waks! Just think this discussion is missing the key piece. Ain't nobody walking around pregnant for 8.75 months then like nope I'm out.

[420seriouscat69]

Lol. Is that why women have used hangers to fix the problem themselves before? Is that why some have thrown them in the dumpster? How would you know?

[Tobias]

killing babies to own the pubs

[Cartierfor3]

To whom should the dignity of personhood be extended to? That is the key issue. Hard to have these debates* when there isn't agreement on that. The argument is often framed as one side arguing that human dignity is given to mother, and the other to baby. I personally don't see them in opposition to one another.




*boarder walls, immigration, gun issues, foreign war policy, etc.

[Cartierfor3]

FYI WC08 bud you gotta chill a bit ITT. You can't go full beems vs dax ku scholarship fund style on issues like this.

[420seriouscat69]

 

[catastrophe]

When you’re talking late term abortion I think it’s really just as simple as who qualifies as a person. NY defines a person (for homicide purposes) as a human being who has been born and found alive. Most conservatives including myself find that as too arbitrary a dividing line between being a person and not a person.

[star seed 7]

Hangers were used because abortion was illegal. Dumpster babies are so rare that I'm not sure why you even bring it up. The mothers in those instances are obviously mentally ill and comparable to mothers that purposely drive their car into a lake

We are talking about a medical procedure here bud, try to stay on topic.

[Phil Titola]

Lol. Is that why women have used hangers to fix the problem themselves before? Is that why some have thrown them in the dumpster? How would you know?

Using these family guy references isn't the best way to make a convincing point.

How would I know what? Chill out my man.

[steve dave]

When you’re talking late term abortion I think it’s really just as simple as who qualifies as a person. NY defines a person (for homicide purposes) as a human being who has been born and found alive. Most conservatives including myself find that as too arbitrary a dividing line between being a person and not a person.

Yeah, I am a moderate and pro-life. But I’m not a clear white line pro-lifer. I think the exceptions for safety of mother or unviable pregnancy are important. My sister in law carried a non viable fetus to term knowing with 100% certainty a living child would not be born. That was about as torturous an experience as anything I can imagine someone going through. She did that because her religion said she should.


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[Dugout DickStone]

When you’re talking late term abortion I think it’s really just as simple as who qualifies as a person. NY defines a person (for homicide purposes) as a human being who has been born and found alive. Most conservatives including myself find that as too arbitrary a dividing line between being a person and not a person.

Yeah, I am a moderate and pro-life. But I’m not a clear white line pro-lifer. I think the exceptions for safety of mother or unviable pregnancy are important. My sister in law carried a non viable fetus to term knowing with 100% certainty a living child would not be born. That was about as torturous an experience as anything I can imagine someone going through. She did that because her religion said she should.


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[treysolid]

When you’re talking late term abortion I think it’s really just as simple as who qualifies as a person. NY defines a person (for homicide purposes) as a human being who has been born and found alive. Most conservatives including myself find that as too arbitrary a dividing line between being a person and not a person.

Yeah, I am a moderate and pro-life. But I’m not a clear white line pro-lifer. I think the exceptions for safety of mother or unviable pregnancy are important. My sister in law carried a non viable fetus to term knowing with 100% certainty a living child would not be born. That was about as torturous an experience as anything I can imagine someone going through. She did that because her religion said she should.


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Do you think she would have used resources like those being talked about in NY? (assuming you ignore the whole religious stigma component of it)

[steve dave]

I can’t speak for her. I certainly would have.


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[steve dave]

It was one of those things I didn’t know how to talk about with her or my brother. I wasn’t going to make suggestions or anything like that. Or even ask them their plans. Just listened and tried to be supportive.


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