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« Reply #100 on: January 25, 2019, 03:16:59 PM »
Yeah, different part. That’s the one that expands abortion rights. (The health part, not the “kill the mother” one. Doctors have always been allowed to save women’s lives.)

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« Reply #101 on: January 25, 2019, 03:18:10 PM »
How is it impossible for doctors to end the life of a living baby with no chance of survival?

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« Reply #102 on: January 25, 2019, 03:21:27 PM »
Yeah, different part. That’s the one that expands abortion rights. (The health part, not the “kill the mother” one. Doctors have always been allowed to save women’s lives.)

Yeah. The first part wouldn't be necessary if we didn't count late term abortions of already dead babies as abortions. The second part wouldn't be necessary if half the country didn't want their government to put women in prison if they choose to get rid of a pregnancy rather than die.

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« Reply #103 on: January 25, 2019, 03:22:09 PM »
How is it impossible for doctors to end the life of a living baby with no chance of survival?

They’re not causing the death. If you can be prosecuted for inducing labor in that case, why couldn’t any woman or doctor be prosecuted for homicide if a baby dies shortly after being born?

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« Reply #104 on: January 25, 2019, 03:25:39 PM »
How is it impossible for doctors to end the life of a living baby with no chance of survival?

They’re not causing the death. If you can be prosecuted for inducing labor in that case, why couldn’t any woman or doctor be prosecuted for homicide if a baby dies shortly after being born?

They are causing the death, though. It's sort of like an assisted suicide.

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« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2019, 03:27:22 PM »
Yeah, different part. That’s the one that expands abortion rights. (The health part, not the “kill the mother” one. Doctors have always been allowed to save women’s lives.)

Yeah. The first part wouldn't be necessary if we didn't count late term abortions of already dead babies as abortions. The second part wouldn't be necessary if half the country didn't want their government to put women in prison if they choose to get rid of a pregnancy rather than die.

None of the parts are necessary. For half the country wanting to imprison people over a law that has been on the books for decades(?), it seems to have had an impressively low prosecution rate.

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« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2019, 03:28:24 PM »
How is it impossible for doctors to end the life of a living baby with no chance of survival?

They’re not causing the death. If you can be prosecuted for inducing labor in that case, why couldn’t any woman or doctor be prosecuted for homicide if a baby dies shortly after being born?

They are causing the death, though. It's sort of like an assisted suicide.

You think assisted suicide patients are non-viable?

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« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2019, 03:37:47 PM »
Yeah, different part. That’s the one that expands abortion rights. (The health part, not the “kill the mother” one. Doctors have always been allowed to save women’s lives.)

Yeah. The first part wouldn't be necessary if we didn't count late term abortions of already dead babies as abortions. The second part wouldn't be necessary if half the country didn't want their government to put women in prison if they choose to get rid of a pregnancy rather than die.

None of the parts are necessary. For half the country wanting to imprison people over a law that has been on the books for decades(?), it seems to have had an impressively low prosecution rate.

Most of my facebook feed seems to be pretty pissed off about that low prosecution rate. If you would rather these people not be prosecuted, then why get upset about a law that says they won't be prosecuted?

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« Reply #108 on: January 25, 2019, 03:38:37 PM »
How is it impossible for doctors to end the life of a living baby with no chance of survival?

They’re not causing the death. If you can be prosecuted for inducing labor in that case, why couldn’t any woman or doctor be prosecuted for homicide if a baby dies shortly after being born?

They are causing the death, though. It's sort of like an assisted suicide.

You think assisted suicide patients are non-viable?

They are terminally ill for the most part.

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« Reply #109 on: January 25, 2019, 03:53:05 PM »

None of the parts are necessary. For half the country wanting to imprison people over a law that has been on the books for decades(?), it seems to have had an impressively low prosecution rate.

Most of my facebook feed seems to be pretty pissed off about that low prosecution rate. If you would rather these people not be prosecuted, then why get upset about a law that says they won't be prosecuted?

That is not the actual premise of the new law. Just as reducing child molestation was not the actual premise of the bathroom bills.

If you are equating “non-viable” fetuses with terminally ill people, does that mean you would support killing a 38 week baby in utero if a doctor determines it wouldn’t survive longer than 5 years after birth? And if so what is the distinction between that and a baby born early at 35 weeks given the same diagnosis after birth?

And does the NY law now allow that? I’m not sure, but I am sure that the claimed justification regarding babies with a zero chance of survival is simply not true because it is impossible for prosecutors to bring that case under the old or new laws.

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« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2019, 04:03:14 PM »

None of the parts are necessary. For half the country wanting to imprison people over a law that has been on the books for decades(?), it seems to have had an impressively low prosecution rate.

Most of my facebook feed seems to be pretty pissed off about that low prosecution rate. If you would rather these people not be prosecuted, then why get upset about a law that says they won't be prosecuted?

That is not the actual premise of the new law. Just as reducing child molestation was not the actual premise of the bathroom bills.

If you are equating “non-viable” fetuses with terminally ill people, does that mean you would support killing a 38 week baby in utero if a doctor determines it wouldn’t survive longer than 5 years after birth? And if so what is the distinction between that and a baby born early at 35 weeks given the same diagnosis after birth?

And does the NY law now allow that? I’m not sure, but I am sure that the claimed justification regarding babies with a zero chance of survival is simply not true because it is impossible for prosecutors to bring that case under the old or new laws.

Prosecutors choosing not to bring a case doesn't equate to it being impossible. The federal government is now prosecuting and getting convictions on people who leave water jugs in the desert for illegal immigrants so they won't die of thirst, when that had not been prosecuted in the past.

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« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2019, 04:15:48 PM »
It’s impossible because the prosecutor would not be able to prove the doctor caused the death of the baby. If you’re after 24 weeks and the fetus is dead or has zero chance of survival, the doctor would only need to induce labor to have the same effect as an abortion (which typically involves inducing labor anyway).

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« Reply #112 on: January 25, 2019, 04:17:07 PM »
It’s impossible because the prosecutor would not be able to prove the doctor caused the death of the baby. If you’re after 24 weeks and the fetus is dead or has zero chance of survival, the doctor would only need to induce labor to have the same effect as an abortion (which typically involves inducing labor anyway).

Inducing labor is the abortion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/walgreens-pharmacist-refuses-give-arizona-woman-drug-end-pregnancy-n886396?icid=related

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/meijer-pharmacist-denies-michigan-woman-miscarriage-medication-citing-religious-beliefs-n921711
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« Reply #113 on: January 25, 2019, 04:24:01 PM »
So it sounds like we need a bill protecting all doctors and mothers from homicide charges if a viable baby dies within 24 hours of being induced or having a c-section. I guess mothers should also be worried if it happened after naturally birth to, since in each of those scenarios it seems that birthing the baby lead to its death.

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« Reply #114 on: January 25, 2019, 04:25:14 PM »
So it sounds like we need a bill protecting all doctors and mothers from homicide charges if a viable baby dies within 24 hours of being induced or having a c-section.

Maybe in your head it does.

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« Reply #115 on: January 25, 2019, 04:26:22 PM »
Well there’s no law that says you can’t prosecute them. :dunno:

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« Reply #116 on: January 25, 2019, 05:23:18 PM »
good lord, catastrophe.
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« Reply #118 on: January 25, 2019, 09:06:08 PM »
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« Reply #119 on: January 25, 2019, 11:06:05 PM »
That poor baby doesn't have a mother.

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« Reply #120 on: January 26, 2019, 07:35:36 AM »
It also isn’t an infant lmao
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« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2019, 10:54:50 PM »
Yeah that’s not gonna pass. Wild though.

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« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2019, 08:13:48 AM »
Very psychotic, I agree.

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« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2019, 11:36:15 AM »
People have lost their rough ridin' minds