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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2019, 03:20:47 PM »
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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2019, 06:50:21 PM »


the obvious rebuttal is to point to last year and say that as long as you make the tourney, anything can happen. which is true! but literally 99 times out of 100, if you're an 8 or 9 seed, you ain't drawing the 16 seed; and your odds of advancing to the Sweet 16 are <20% when you don't.

My math (admittedly not good) says that since we expanded to 64 teams in '85, there have been 132 1 seeds (33 * 4).  So 1 time out of 132.  Right?  It was THE luckiest break for an 8/9 seed in the history of the NCAA.

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2019, 06:54:42 PM »
QUESTION:  If you give oscar "credit" for an elite 8 run, which included the luckiest second round draw in the history of the NCAA tournament (indisputable), then don't you have to refrain from giving him a free pass on this year do to the unluckiness of injuries?

Surely you have to refrain from giving him a free pass, right?

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2019, 07:20:31 PM »
QUESTION:  If you give oscar "credit" for an elite 8 run, which included the luckiest second round draw in the history of the NCAA tournament (indisputable), then don't you have to refrain from giving him a free pass on this year do to the unluckiness of injuries?

Surely you have to refrain from giving him a free pass, right?

Only if you have integrity, Pete.

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2019, 07:51:44 PM »
QUESTION:  If you give oscar "credit" for an elite 8 run, which included the luckiest second round draw in the history of the NCAA tournament (indisputable), then don't you have to refrain from giving him a free pass on this year do to the unluckiness of injuries?

Surely you have to refrain from giving him a free pass, right?

oscar already used up his 'free pass' in the 2014 and 2015 seasons when he recruited a bunch of losers and team cancers and had to essentially start over. which is obviously fine. it happens to almost all coaches at some point. it even happened to huggins at wvu when they missed the tourney back to back years after huggins brought in a bunch of guys he literally hated.

i don't think k-state will ever be a consistent, year after year, top-25 level program. but in every four-year period, i think it's totally reasonable to expect them to have one top-40 level team (on the bubble), one top-25 level team (ncaa tourney), a top-10 team that could make a deep tourney run (if everything goes right), and then perhaps a bit of a rebuilding year (hello, NIT). those are achievable expectations and should be the minimum standard for every big 12 team, including tcu and texas tech.

oscar hasn't really demonstrated that upside since those first three years at Illinois.

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2019, 08:06:24 PM »
k-state is ordinarily shitty rake, you downgrade

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2019, 09:22:42 PM »
i just think it's about time* to raise the standard.


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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2019, 09:57:55 PM »
i just think it's about time* to raise the standard.


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checkmate. it was time to not do that. rough rider.

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2019, 01:38:24 AM »
QUESTION:  If you give oscar "credit" for an elite 8 run, which included the luckiest second round draw in the history of the NCAA tournament (indisputable), then don't you have to refrain from giving him a free pass on this year do to the unluckiness of injuries?

Surely you have to refrain from giving him a free pass, right?

oscar already used up his 'free pass' in the 2014 and 2015 seasons when he recruited a bunch of losers and team cancers and had to essentially start over. which is obviously fine. it happens to almost all coaches at some point. it even happened to huggins at wvu when they missed the tourney back to back years after huggins brought in a bunch of guys he literally hated.

i don't think k-state will ever be a consistent, year after year, top-25 level program. but in every four-year period, i think it's totally reasonable to expect them to have one top-40 level team (on the bubble), one top-25 level team (ncaa tourney), a top-10 team that could make a deep tourney run (if everything goes right), and then perhaps a bit of a rebuilding year (hello, NIT). those are achievable expectations and should be the minimum standard for every big 12 team, including tcu and texas tech.

oscar hasn't really demonstrated that upside since those first three years at Illinois.

Eddie Sutton at Oklahoma State has been my standard for KSU b-ball for a long time. We’ll likely never have the run of truly powerful teams Sutton had at the beginning of his run, but even his last 9 years or so on a loop would make for a pretty satisfying fan experience.

You’re on point again Jrake
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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2019, 07:34:50 AM »
last 9 years or so on a loop would make for a pretty satisfying fan experience.

I'd say you're in luck.

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2019, 09:13:31 PM »
How’s this for ordinary Rakey-poo?

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2019, 09:34:17 PM »
lol sweet somersault.

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Re: k-state hoops is so ordinary
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2019, 11:06:41 PM »
What is #3 about to do to him? :sdeek: