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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #151 on: November 12, 2018, 10:13:48 PM »
Remember when Jesse Owens whipped nazi ass is a bunch of races????
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2018, 01:09:32 PM »
it's good that they are getting pushback.  unfortunate that there seems to be no mechanism to force them out.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-record-number-of-women-were-just-elected-but-the-womens-march-is-imploding?ref=scroll
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #153 on: December 10, 2018, 10:17:56 PM »
the title is misleading, it's more a history than a state of the current woman's march.  interesting.


https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/276694/is-the-womens-earch-melting-down
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #154 on: January 06, 2019, 10:27:57 PM »

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #155 on: January 07, 2019, 05:51:28 AM »
Always thought money management should be taught in school.

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #156 on: January 10, 2019, 12:53:07 PM »
This thread is so cringe-worthy

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #157 on: January 17, 2019, 08:16:43 PM »
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #158 on: January 17, 2019, 08:19:05 PM »
unpaywalled link, please.
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2019, 08:25:47 PM »
run it through archive.is
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #160 on: January 17, 2019, 08:50:07 PM »
run it through archive.is

apparently i don't know how to use that.  i input the address and get back an archive that still has the paywall.
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #161 on: January 17, 2019, 08:54:26 PM »
At my place of employ, we had some olds reply all to the whole firm today regarding an IT update, so I know these kinds of things do occasionally happen.

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #162 on: January 17, 2019, 09:09:46 PM »
don't be mean to me, spracne.
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #163 on: January 17, 2019, 09:11:11 PM »
The best part was other olds responding to everyone with "why am I receiving these messages?!?"

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #164 on: January 18, 2019, 07:45:33 AM »
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Martin Luther King, Colorblind Radical
He flirted with democratic socialism and opposed the Vietnam War but stood against identity politics.

kinda sums it all up :)

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #165 on: January 18, 2019, 08:44:42 AM »
I think Coleman Hughes is here for the long haul.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/martin-luther-king-colorblind-radical-11547769741
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #166 on: January 18, 2019, 08:55:49 AM »
I think Hughes is great. 


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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #167 on: January 18, 2019, 09:04:05 AM »
Looooooong career ahead.  Probably a NYT column soon.
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #168 on: January 18, 2019, 09:05:17 AM »
I think Hughes is great.
He's very good at what he does and I understand why he appeals/panders to certain people, I just find it to be a very forced, sloppy style.

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #169 on: January 18, 2019, 09:05:28 AM »
Looooooong career ahead.  Probably a NYT column soon.
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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #170 on: January 18, 2019, 09:11:22 AM »
Looooooong career ahead.  Probably a NYT column soon.
Yep.  He'll be triggering self-loathing libs like KK and Rusty for decades.  I wonder if he has political aspirations?  Shapiro/Hughes 2036!

He's very good at what he does and I understand why he appeals/panders to certain people, I just find it to be a very forced, sloppy style.
I don't understand what you mean.  I think his style is pretty well organized and straightforward, regardless of whether you agree with his point of view.  I agree that he's predictable, if that's what you mean by "forced."


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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #171 on: January 18, 2019, 09:18:19 AM »
A lot of words to say "but I'm one of the good ones".

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #172 on: January 18, 2019, 10:08:03 AM »
He's very good at what he does and I understand why he appeals/panders to certain people, I just find it to be a very forced, sloppy style.
I don't understand what you mean.  I think his style is pretty well organized and straightforward, regardless of whether you agree with his point of view.  I agree that he's predictable, if that's what you mean by "forced."

Good commentary, in my opinion, attempts to convince the reader to adjust their opinion on a subject, or at least bring a new perspective and make people think about things differently. I've read like three of Hughes' pieces, and he honestly seems to only try to accomplish two things with his writing:

1) Speak for the whites who are thinking "I've been thinking this for years, but if I wrote this I'd be called a racist!"
2) Trigger the libs (also applies to #1)

And I think his writing is sloppy because he pretty much only argues strawmen, (typically a generic "progressive") and he consistently cherry-picks quotes without any context - he doesn't research to truly understand his subject, he's just looking for quotes that would most likely trigger the libs. Like he pulled a "people won't say black power or white power" quote from this speech:

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/where-do-we-go-here-address-delivered-eleventh-annual-sclc-convention

In the exact same speech King talks about protesting businesses for not hiring enough blacks or advertising in black newspapers or using black banks. Is this not identity politics? 

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In Cleveland, Ohio, a group of ministers have formed an Operation Breadbasket through our program there and have moved against a major dairy company. Their requests include jobs, advertising in Negro newspapers, and depositing funds in Negro financial institutions. This effort resulted in something marvelous. I went to Cleveland just last week to sign the agreement with Sealtest. We went to get the facts about their employment; we discovered that they had 442 employees and only forty-three were Negroes, yet the Negro population of Cleveland is thirty-five percent of the total population. They refused to give us all of the information that we requested, and we said in substance, "Mr. Sealtest, we're sorry. We aren't going to burn your store down. We aren't going to throw any bricks in the window. But we are going to put picket signs around and we are going to put leaflets out and we are going to our pulpits and tell them not to sell Sealtest products, and not to purchase Sealtest products.".....

We also said to Sealtest, "The problem that we face is that the ghetto is a domestic colony that's constantly drained without being replenished. And you are always telling us to lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every day. Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we said, "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan association and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited thousands of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking ads in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation Breadbasket.

Also someone linked to this in the comments, where King basically makes a case for reparations:

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https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/d/dyson-may.html

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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #173 on: January 18, 2019, 10:26:46 AM »
And I think his writing is sloppy because he pretty much only argues strawmen, (typically a generic "progressive") and he consistently cherry-picks quotes without any context - he doesn't research to truly understand his subject, he's just looking for quotes that would most likely trigger the libs. Like he pulled a "people won't say black power or white power" quote from this speech:

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/where-do-we-go-here-address-delivered-eleventh-annual-sclc-convention

In the exact same speech King talks about protesting businesses for not hiring enough blacks or advertising in black newspapers or using black banks. Is this not identity politics? 
That's a good question and I think at some point, what is and isn't "identity politics" becomes semantics.  I think the argument could be made that MLK wasn't advocating for these people to get these jobs simply because they're black, or because they faced discrimination or racism.   I think he's advocating that they get the jobs because (first and foremost) they're qualified and the reason they're not getting the jobs is because other people (i.e. those in charge of hiring) are engaging in racism (identity politics).  The same could be true for the advertisements and banks.  Maybe to eradicate identity politics, you have to acknowledge that they exist.  I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of King's beliefs, but I don't think your quote is necessarily inconsistent with anything Hughes wrote.

To your point, I do agree that Hughes overreaches -- at least in this article.  Though I don't think that's all that uncommon, especially for opinion writers discussing race.  From my limited knowledge of King, I'm pretty sure he was a bigger advocate for specifically black rights than Hughes seems to acknowledge.  But like I said above, I'm far from an expert on MLK.


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Re: Race in America thread
« Reply #174 on: January 18, 2019, 10:55:24 AM »
And I think his writing is sloppy because he pretty much only argues strawmen, (typically a generic "progressive") and he consistently cherry-picks quotes without any context - he doesn't research to truly understand his subject, he's just looking for quotes that would most likely trigger the libs. Like he pulled a "people won't say black power or white power" quote from this speech:

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/where-do-we-go-here-address-delivered-eleventh-annual-sclc-convention

In the exact same speech King talks about protesting businesses for not hiring enough blacks or advertising in black newspapers or using black banks. Is this not identity politics? 
That's a good question and I think at some point, what is and isn't "identity politics" becomes semantics.  I think the argument could be made that MLK wasn't advocating for these people to get these jobs simply because they're black, or because they faced discrimination or racism.   I think he's advocating that they get the jobs because (first and foremost) they're qualified and the reason they're not getting the jobs is because other people (i.e. those in charge of hiring) are engaging in racism (identity politics).  The same could be true for the advertisements and banks.  Maybe to eradicate identity politics, you have to acknowledge that they exist.  I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of King's beliefs, but I don't think your quote is necessarily inconsistent with anything Hughes wrote.

Do you think it's inconsistent with the views of Black Lives Matter?

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The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

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We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.

We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/