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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4925 on: February 04, 2020, 04:27:47 PM »
I might even vote for Bloomy, just to own the libs.

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« Reply #4926 on: February 04, 2020, 04:30:04 PM »
These Bernie fans are really honing in on goal 11.
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« Reply #4927 on: February 04, 2020, 04:32:43 PM »
I will, thanks.

I don't even want to read twitter right now. I'm certain that it's filled with batshit crazy bernie bots that don't know jack crap about what has been happening here, talking about how bernie is being cheated. Yeah dumbfucks the Democratic establishment is helping some gay 30 something from rough ridin' south bend, that minorities apparently can't trust. It's so rough ridin' dumb, makes me want to hang myself.

I told you guys during the summer that he was going to do well. In the fall I said he would win. They busted their ass here, they earned it. I don't think they can keep up the momentum, but I might be wrong. If he has to keep doing what he did here, they'll run out of gas.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4928 on: February 04, 2020, 04:41:12 PM »
i listened to most of the same podcasts katkid did and sort of agree that there just isn't any good system that could practically be imposed in the united states.  i do think there are three improvements that are feasi ble.

1.  cut down the length of the campaigning.  there is a first mover advantage so campaigns are forced to begin early, but it just bores the electorate, costs an enormous amount of money and increases donor influence over voter influence.  have a start date in like sept or so.  candidates will still signal and build organizations before that, but it will at least dampen the length of the race.

2.  rotate early states.  include a variety (demography, geographic region, economic concentration) of lower population states and rotate which of them gets to go in the first 3-5.  allows the retail politics that some feel is important, but reduces the influence of individual states.

3.  all primaries, no caucuses.  this one seems sort of obvious, but david schor had an interesting point yesterday that caucuses in some way act as a safeguard against populism/fascism (for example caucuses tended not to favor trump in 2016).  if you're on the left, caucuses also favor the left in dem races.  nonetheless, i think the argument for including more of the electorate in the selectorate (word i just learned from the 538 podcast) argues for this reform.


the process would still suck, though.  my fundamental takeaway from the podcasts is that there's no good way of doing this.
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« Reply #4929 on: February 04, 2020, 04:51:05 PM »
I think they should open these things up to all registered voters, regardless of party.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4930 on: February 04, 2020, 05:00:04 PM »
I think they should open these things up to all registered voters, regardless of party.

So no primaries? Just one quick and dirty?


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« Reply #4931 on: February 04, 2020, 05:04:42 PM »
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying, but I do like the idea of a combined party primary system. It’s a moderate’s dream come true.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4932 on: February 04, 2020, 05:11:18 PM »
if warren is having money troubles (as biden almost certainly is), that's pretty important.  i think it can also probably be inferred that if warren isn't seeing much new cash with a rumored 3rd place finish, klobuchar's somewhat surprising 5th place finish isn't getting her much new money either.

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1224829400249786370
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« Reply #4933 on: February 04, 2020, 05:19:50 PM »
if warren is having money troubles (as biden almost certainly is), that's pretty important.  i think it can also probably be inferred that if warren isn't seeing much new cash with a rumored 3rd place finish, klobuchar's somewhat surprising 5th place finish isn't getting her much new money either.

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1224829400249786370

She's not having money trouble. She had $14 million on hand earlier this month. On Sunday they announced they are the first campaign to reach one million donors with over  10% of those set up for recurring donations.

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« Reply #4934 on: February 04, 2020, 05:29:23 PM »
she probably spent all of that 14 million in january.  she was spending like 11-12 million a month in oct-december before she was even advertising much.

she also probably took in something like 6-12 million in january.  but regardless, she needs to be taking in more money after iowa than she was pre-iowa or she'll be financially constrained.  that's true for everyone, of course.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4935 on: February 04, 2020, 05:36:31 PM »
I think she spent it on blow.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4938 on: February 04, 2020, 07:32:27 PM »

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« Reply #4939 on: February 04, 2020, 08:03:09 PM »
What a tease. USE THE CLAW PETE!

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4940 on: February 04, 2020, 09:34:30 PM »
My favorite part is him completely brushing the other dude aside who tried to interfere with Pete explaining his passion.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4941 on: February 05, 2020, 07:11:50 AM »
That bad person, what gives him the right to butt in on Pete's fun.  :ROFL:
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4942 on: February 05, 2020, 11:28:28 AM »
I think they should open these things up to all registered voters, regardless of party.

So no primaries? Just one quick and dirty?


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Have primaries, but allow everyone to vote in them.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4944 on: February 05, 2020, 11:38:12 AM »
It's pretty awesome (well, actually sad) that a lifetime Washington D.C. leech may get the Dem nomination.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4948 on: February 05, 2020, 04:03:14 PM »
Really hate to see guys like Nadler so enraged and wanting to try for impeachment 2.0.

Hopefully my guy Mike Bloomberg is working the phones and the contacts to get guys like Lil Jerry "enraged about everything" Nadler to back off, to throw their support behind the Bloomberg campaign, drop the nonsense and go in for the big win come November.

Bloomberg completely mitigates the fear of whack-a-doo Warren and Sanders, the mega corrupt Biden(s) and not ready for prime time Pete.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4949 on: February 05, 2020, 04:20:31 PM »
Dax’s pretending to like Bloomberg shtick is less convincing that KSUW’s pretending to like Trump.