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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2225 on: May 31, 2019, 08:09:45 AM »

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2226 on: May 31, 2019, 10:40:34 PM »
she's getting tons of momentum. if I had to put money on someone at this point I'd guess Warren for 2020 dem.

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1134661778338484224

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2227 on: May 31, 2019, 11:00:05 PM »
Like, 1 BTC worth!?
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2228 on: June 01, 2019, 08:56:46 PM »
she's getting tons of momentum. if I had to put money on someone at this point I'd guess Warren for 2020 dem.

she's getting tons of momentum (still polling at about half of sanders) at overtaking sanders for the lead in left lane in the primary.  sanders had that lane all to himself in 2016 and he still got his ass kicked.

if you go back a week to when i updated my very approximate odds by candidate, i basically put all the moderate lane candidates in order and then ordered the left lane candidates after them.  because there are a lot more moderate voters than left-wing voters.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2229 on: June 01, 2019, 10:06:21 PM »
No crap?


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2230 on: June 03, 2019, 11:03:40 AM »
People criticize Bernie as having plans that are “utopian” or “never going to happen” but this crap is just next level.  Bernie has goals like universal healthcare, free public college and other things that exist in dozens of other industrialized first world countries. Pete is ready to risk it all for a 3 episode arc in the Weat Wing reboot.  Pete’s plan also has the downside of not actually helping anyone at all even if enacted.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2231 on: June 03, 2019, 11:22:49 AM »
No thanks, we brought our government mandated trolls . . .

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/elizabeth-warren-corporatism-progressive-ideological-ends/


Using corporations as instruments of politics is attractive to politicians for many reasons, cowardice prominent among them. If Senator Warren wants to increase the purchasing power of low-income workers by $1 trillion, she could propose legislation that would entail the appropriation of money for this purpose and distribute that $1 trillion to the workers in question on any terms she saw fit. But that would bring with it difficulties: That $1 trillion appropriation would show up on the budget, which would mean an uncomfortable discussion about raising taxes to pay for it (Senator Warren has fanciful views about taxation, the progressive version of “voodoo economics”) or its contribution to the deficit (which is why the Obama administration leaned on the CBO to endorse, jaw clenched, its ludicrous claims about the debt-reducing features of the Affordable Care Act) and more. The politically expedient alternative to that is to impose a mandate on businesses to pay those workers an additional $1 trillion in wages or benefits, which shows up on the books as a regulation rather than as an expenditure. When government proposes to spend money, somebody — Senator Paul, Representative Amash — can be counted on to ask, “How do we pay for this?” The corporatist model says to businesses: “You can figure out how to pay for this.”

Subordinating business interests to political mandates in the matter of economic policy is old hat. But politics is more than a question of taxing and spending, and American progressives are now pushing corporatism to purely ideological ends, for instance by deputizing Facebook, Twitter, Google, and other tech companies to act as proxy censors to suppress political speech that progressives do not wish to be spoken, and using employers ranging from Silicon Valley giants to Starbucks and fast-food restaurants as enforcers of political discipline, dismissing senior executives and obscure food-service workers alike for their private political views and speech. The business corporation has become the disciplinary corporation, an instrument of direct social domination put to explicitly political and ideological ends.


The perverse aspect of the contemporary progressives’ remix of classic corporatism is that the very people who believe themselves to be the main check on corporate power are working to aggrandize corporate power in ways that are without close precedent, their nearest analogue being the old “company town” model of corporate paternalism, which is not universally admired by the American Left. The danger is that the ability and inclination to satisfy the cultural, political, and social sensibilities of the Fortune 500 will become in practice a condition of full citizenship.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2232 on: June 03, 2019, 04:05:46 PM »
People criticize Bernie as having plans that are “utopian” or “never going to happen” but this crap is just next level.  Bernie has goals like universal healthcare, free public college and other things that exist in dozens of other industrialized first world countries. Pete is ready to risk it all for a 3 episode arc in the Weat Wing reboot.  Pete’s plan also has the downside of not actually helping anyone at all even if enacted.



I kinda like the idea in principal, but don't think there's any way to get there without a constitutional amendment (and even then not sure how you'd word it).

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2233 on: June 03, 2019, 04:46:01 PM »
I don't like anything that involves "sides"
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2234 on: June 03, 2019, 04:48:56 PM »
pete, no.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2235 on: June 03, 2019, 06:21:34 PM »
Whoa whoa whoa hands off Joe! Chicom and libderp nation bend over to the man and Hillary Clinton at the DNC Barry at it again.

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1135575368050577408

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2236 on: June 03, 2019, 06:45:56 PM »
The Big Tuck prefers his straight party (D) ballot to be as corrupt as possible.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2237 on: June 03, 2019, 09:21:43 PM »

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2238 on: June 04, 2019, 10:16:45 AM »
:lol:

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2239 on: June 04, 2019, 10:52:29 AM »
she's getting tons of momentum. if I had to put money on someone at this point I'd guess Warren for 2020 dem.

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1134661778338484224

i did put money on someone, and that someone is mayor pete.

that said, i agree with you, warren is a much bigger threat than her longshot odds suggest.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2240 on: June 04, 2019, 11:36:08 AM »
i did put money on someone, and that someone is mayor pete.

lol.  unless you've cashed out, in which case, good call.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2241 on: June 04, 2019, 11:39:02 AM »
it's very funny that people are just now noticing that buttigieg's court crap is stupid.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2243 on: June 04, 2019, 11:40:33 AM »
Oakland . . . good stop for Lyin Liz, near the Technocrats she's going to empower exponentially.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2244 on: June 04, 2019, 11:42:22 AM »
https://twitter.com/paulwaldman1/status/1135633462038339589

None of ChiCom Joe's confusion is going to deter the majority of LibDerp Nation from supporting him.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2245 on: June 04, 2019, 11:52:35 AM »
i did put money on someone, and that someone is mayor pete.

lol.  unless you've cashed out, in which case, good call.

i did it back when all he had was an exploratory committee, mostly at odds of 15-1 or better, so i'll say it was a good call regardless of what happens considering his odds are now 4-1 to win the dem nomination. :)

that said, even as his poll numbers are increasing, i haven't seen a ton of substance in the last month or so. and he spent way too much time preaching his values rather than putting out policy ideas. i still think he has a better chance than bernie, and a slightly better chance (for now) than warren. but the more coverage warren gets, the more she'll climb. i don't agree with much of her stuff, but she talks about issues people care about, comes off as super sincere, and articulates her message extremely well.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2246 on: June 04, 2019, 05:40:35 PM »
i did it back when all he had was an exploratory committee, mostly at odds of 15-1 or better, so i'll say it was a good call regardless of what happens considering his odds are now 4-1 to win the dem nomination. :)

your timing was excellent, but if you placed a bet instead of using a prediction market, how can you profit from it?


that said, even as his poll numbers are increasing, i haven't seen a ton of substance in the last month or so. and he spent way too much time preaching his values rather than putting out policy ideas.

they've been decreasing for a while now, but i agree with you that he missed a chance to define his candidacy around a policy and that's part of what's hurting him.


i still think he has a better chance than bernie, and a slightly better chance (for now) than warren.

but the more coverage warren gets, the more she'll climb. i don't agree with much of her stuff, but she talks about issues people care about, comes off as super sincere, and articulates her message extremely well.

i don't see a path for him.  either demographically or ideologically.

i go back and forth on which left-wing candidate is most likely to finish 2nd to a moderate candidate.  at the moment i'm more in the mood of the bernie bros will never abandon him, but i've been on the other side recently.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2248 on: June 05, 2019, 12:57:47 PM »
If there's any segment of citizenry in our nation that can recognize and rally around a good solid NeoCon . ..  that's Texans.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #2249 on: June 05, 2019, 04:02:20 PM »
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1136278963376967689

De Blasio polling even with Beto is pretty shocking.