2020 presidential candidate 'crats

[Rage Against the McKee]

Does "clap his rat cheeks" and "doing mommy crap in the middle of the night" mean sex stuff? I don't think Pete has kids. I don't really want or need details - just a yes or no will suffice.

yes

[steve dave]

the rat part is independent from the sex part as a point of further clarification

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1230982783771848704

[MakeItRain]

https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1230982783771848704

Fantastic

[Rage Against the McKee]

So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.

[sys]

That would yield results in the yet to be verified February dollars.

they aren't going to lie though, they'd be caught in less than a month when the feb fec data is released.

[star seed 7]

Hopefully Bernie doesn't accept the assistance and have multiple campaign members try to coordinate increased assistance

[Trim]

I asked him about Pete and he said "I'm not voting for him because I don't want my president doing mommy crap in the middle of the night if we need him."

Like in a time-sensitive emergency, it's more difficult to pull one's dick out of an ass than it is out of a vag?

Clearly no logic applies

I liked the specificity.  "mommy crap, OK.  Even at nighttime, still OK.  But if there's a missile crisis at night?  NOPE!"

I wonder how many times Trump has been in the middle of one of his famous 6 flushers when he was called upon.

It's all butt stuff at the end of the day.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.

Ok, so I take it then that you think this is genuine. Even though both briefings have been immediately leaked to the press. Hey maybe its true - but after all the dirty tricks we've seen the past few years shouldn't we be a little skeptical?

[Rage Against the McKee]

So in the past 24 hours, "US Officials" have "briefed" Trump and the Sanders camps that the Russians are trying to help their campaigns, and these briefings are then immediately leaked to the press. Almost seems like that might be the purpose of the briefings? After all the garbage of the past 3 years, can we really trust US Intelligence anymore not to meddle in politics?

They are stuck meddling either way. Informing the public about foreign interference is one form of meddling, and allowing foreign interference to occur unnoticed is another.

Ok, so I take it then that you think this is genuine. Even though both briefings have been immediately leaked to the press. Hey maybe its true - but after all the dirty tricks we've seen the past few years shouldn't we be a little skeptical?

What dirty tricks are you talking about?

[Spracne]

Serious question: why does the black community disproportionately hate the gays?

[sys]

they don't.

[Spracne]

they don't.

Maybe you're correct. Next question: why did I think that?

[sys]

because the buttigieg campaign, assisted by some in the media, has tried to use that as an excuse for his poor polling with black voters?

[michigancat]

you may also think black dems in particular are more religious than white dems



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/23/religiously-nonwhite-democrats-are-more-similar-to-republicans-than-to-white-democrats/

[Spracne]

because the buttigieg campaign, assisted by some in the media, has tried to use that as an excuse for his poor polling with black voters?

  I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

Roughly six in ten white (59%), Hispanic (60%), and mixed-race Americans (59%) and close to seven in ten (69%) Asian-Pacific Islander (API) Americans favor same-sex marriage. Black Americans are more divided with fewer than half (48%) expressing support for allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, while 41% are opposed. However, this represents a five-point increase in support for same-sex marriage, compared to 43% in 2015.

https://www.prri.org/research/americans-views-discrimination-immigrants-blacks-lgbt-sex-marriage-immigration-reform/

And apparently Obama has referenced it, too:

“If we are honest with ourselves, we’ll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King’s vision of a beloved community,” Obama told 2,000 worshippers Sunday at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, where King once preached.

“We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2008/01/obama-allies-dont-always-align-on-issues-008061

This was not a loaded question. Assuming this is actually a real thing, I'm just curious as to "why", because studies also show that African Americans are the most likely group to view the LGBTQ+ community as facing prejudice. See the PRRI study linked above.

[sys]

I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

mir definitely has mentioned it.

if you want a more detailed and serious answer, as micat pointed out, white americans with anti-homosexual opinions are more likely to be non democrats, so black democrats are more anti-homosexual compared to white democrats.

also, anti-homosexual sentiment correlates with religiousness and lower education attainment.  if you control for both those factors, there is no difference between white and black americans in opinions on homosexuality.

[Spracne]

Interesting. Thanks for your response. I will mull it over.

[MakeItRain]

There are certainly not more black evangelical homophobes than white, but a larger percentage of my people are than white people. Also black clergy are largely more aggressive with expressing their thoughts on the subject. The First United Methodist Church is about to split largely because of southern and African Methodist churches won't allow gay pastors or gay marriages in their churches.

[Spracne]

I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

mir definitely has mentioned it.

if you want a more detailed and serious answer, as micat pointed out, white americans with anti-homosexual opinions are more likely to be non democrats, so black democrats are more anti-homosexual compared to white democrats.

also, anti-homosexual sentiment correlates with religiousness and lower education attainment.  if you control for both those factors, there is no difference between white and black americans in opinions on homosexuality.

I'm confused about whether you believe this is a Team Pete smokescreen (1st post), or whether it's attributable to the factors identified in your 2nd post, or both, or neither, or some combination?

[MakeItRain]

I could have sworn MIR had mentioned this phenomenon before, while also strongly opposing it.

mir definitely has mentioned it.

if you want a more detailed and serious answer, as micat pointed out, white americans with anti-homosexual opinions are more likely to be non democrats, so black democrats are more anti-homosexual compared to white democrats.

also, anti-homosexual sentiment correlates with religiousness and lower education attainment.  if you control for both those factors, there is no difference between white and black americans in opinions on homosexuality.

So, the Buttigieg team, in fact, did not invent this, but rather it is attributable to the factors you identified in this post? Ok, sys.

Correct. I'm assuming when he said "they don't" he thought you were actually saying "why are there more black homophobes than white ones?"

[steve dave]

Also black clergy are largely more aggressive with expressing their thoughts on the subject. The First United Methodist Church is about to split largely because of southern and African Methodist churches won't allow gay pastors or gay marriages in their churches.

this is going to shock the living crap out of you (not really) but almost all of the predominantly pasty ass white churches hate the crap out of homosexuals as well (your already mentioned Methodists and ELCA being a couple of the notable exceptions).

[Spracne]

So, seems like it's a religiosity issue that is also correlated with age?

[MakeItRain]

So, seems like it's a religiosity issue that is also correlated with age?

I don't know about that.