US Men's National Team Soccer Thread! (lower division thread)

[MakeItRain]

 

[MakeItRain]

[Tobias]

rumblings?

[mocat]

i'll give jk another WC

[scottwildcat]

rumblings?

It's not happening.


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[Spaces]

Can I see a shortlist of options for next coach so I can decide what I want going forward?  tia.

[asava]

Can I see a shortlist of options for next coach so I can decide what I want going forward?  tia.

I assure you they are all worse options than Jurgen. Like, we do realize that the USA job is not exactly desirable, right?

[Tobias]

yeah, i was just confused by MiRs post timing last night.  I'm not clued up enough to know who would even consider us after this WC cycle

[scottwildcat]

Can I see a shortlist of options for next coach so I can decide what I want going forward?  tia.

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[Tobias]

gross

[Tobias]

let's hand the keys to mastroeni and just ghostride this bitch over the edge and into the colorado river

[MakeItRain]

Can I see a shortlist of options for next coach so I can decide what I want going forward?  tia.

I assure you they are all worse options than Jurgen. Like, we do realize that the USA job is not exactly desirable, right?

Really? Give me 10 national team jobs inarguably better. Don't even think about posting jobs like Switzerland and Belgium either.

[asava]

Can I see a shortlist of options for next coach so I can decide what I want going forward?  tia.

I assure you they are all worse options than Jurgen. Like, we do realize that the USA job is not exactly desirable, right?

Really? Give me 10 national team jobs inarguably better. Don't even think about posting jobs like Switzerland and Belgium either.

Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and Netherlands are all on a different planet. Belgium isn't inarguably a better job, but I think it's a pretty easy argument to win with their current roster. Arguably better would be Portugal, Chile, Mexico, Poland, Greece, Czech Republic, Croatia, Uruguay, Swiss. At best we are a middle tier job with no real soccer ties to greatness, no real stand out international level player, a huge project, and, generally, not so talented.

[asava]

Also, just off fan base alone, Ireland seems like it would be a very fun job.

[MakeItRain]

I mean at worst it's the second best job in the third best region in the world. I think it's the best job in the second best region in the world. If you're a European based coach are you really going to move to Brazil, Argentina, or Colombia for equal money?

The entire conversation is stupid anyway, how often are we discussing world class national team coaches anywhere? WTF did Joachim Low do before he lead Germany? The answer is not a damn thing.

Cuckold American soccer fans, man.

[mocat]

second best region in the world? come on MIR concacaf is a very clear 3rd, unless you were lumping the americas together

[MakeItRain]

Can I see a shortlist of options for next coach so I can decide what I want going forward?  tia.

I assure you they are all worse options than Jurgen. Like, we do realize that the USA job is not exactly desirable, right?

Really? Give me 10 national team jobs inarguably better. Don't even think about posting jobs like Switzerland and Belgium either.

Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and Netherlands are all on a different planet. Belgium isn't inarguably a better job, but I think it's a pretty easy argument to win with their current roster. Arguably better would be Portugal, Chile, Mexico, Poland, Greece, Czech Republic, Croatia, Uruguay, Swiss. At best we are a middle tier job with no real soccer ties to greatness, no real stand out international level player, a huge project, and, generally, not so talented.

Three fourths of the countries you listed haven't won a rough ridin' thing in any of our lifetimes, so your stance is incredibly inconsistent.

Also, just off fan base alone, Ireland seems like it would be a very fun job.

Cuckold American soccer fans forgetting that we purchased more tickets to the last world cup than every other country combined excluding Brazil. We have amazing fans and there's a quarter of a billion people that live here. We play in stadiums that are 10-20 percent of the entirety of the population of some of the countries you listed. Greece? You serious man?

[MakeItRain]

second best region in the world? come on MIR concacaf is a very clear 3rd, unless you were lumping the americas together

CAF is very obviously a better soccer playing region, it isn't a destination that would attract a great coach from Europe or North America. I think there are literally three countries in the world that could pull someone thought of as a great club coach to coach for a federation and that's England, Germany, and the United States. No one else has the resources to even consider it. Mexico can find the money but the country and the job is too volatile.

[MakeItRain]

Brazil just fired their manager because they couldn't score against Peru.

England is coached by Roy Hodgsen.

Mexico just gave up seven goddamned goals.

But yeah, let's keep a guy who has not progressed the federation in five years because we're the little old shitty USA and we don't deserve better.

GTFO

[asava]

I mean at worst it's the second best job in the third best region in the world. I think it's the best job in the second best region in the world. If you're a European based coach are you really going to move to Brazil, Argentina, or Colombia for equal money?

The entire conversation is stupid anyway, how often are we discussing world class national team coaches anywhere? WTF did Joachim Low do before he lead Germany? The answer is not a damn thing.

Cuckold American soccer fans, man.

Ottmar Hitzfield won the Champions League with both Bayern and Dortmund before coaching the Swiss, Vincente del Bosque won the CL with Real Madrid before Spain, Conte coached Juventas and Siena before both to international success, Prandelli coached several Serie A teams to successful seasons, Hodgson has been coaching since the 70's, Tite is widely regarded as one of the best coaches on earth and Scolari coached a ton of great teams before Brazil.

These are a handful of a ton. You are delusional if you think coaching an American team, where soccer is a third tier sport, is going to be more enticing than European or South American teams where they are treated and looked at like a god, will be walking into an established and proven talent development system, and coaching a team with top level players. 

Three fourths of the countries you listed haven't won a rough ridin' thing in any of our lifetimes, so your stance is incredibly inconsistent.

Having won an international tournament is not the only prerequisite to having a job be desirable.

Let's have a quick look at where former USA coaches go, shall we: Egypt, LA Galaxy, bottom of a ditch, blah blah blah.

Side note: Cuckold American Soccer Fans is a great phrase.

[asava]

Brazil just fired their manager because they couldn't score against Peru.

England is coached by Roy Hodgsen.

Mexico just gave up seven goddamned goals.

But yeah, let's keep a guy who has not progressed the federation in five years because we're the little old shitty USA and we don't deserve better.

GTFO

Our talent level has obviously progressed. Our tactics (at times) are a lot rough ridin' better than the longball counter bullshit we ran for the last 20 years. Development and institutional progression is a tough call due to the fact people are impatient as eff and we won't see the results from the institutional changes made by Jurgy for probably another decade.

Who said we don't deserve better?  I love how we somehow just expect to be good despite glaring deficiencies and a short history. I'm not some huge proponent of Klinnsman. Maybe what he has been doing as Director will work. Maybe it won't. The changes he is making runs entirely counter to the "win now" mentality. As a coach he has increased our talent pool and found players who will have an impact on our team for years to come. The quality of play is marginally better than it was under Bradley or Arena. But he has been working with, for the most part, a group of players that needed a turnover. The fact that he doesn't have any other option but to trot Clint Dempsey out there speaks for itself. If he wasn't getting results (semi final in Copa, through the group of death at WC with a lackluster team) I would be more inclined to say we should probably go a different direction, but for now there is no reason to not see him through another WC.

Who exactly do you see knocking down our door to be the next coach?

[sunny_cat]

Not enough body bags for MIR

[slobber]

We have middle school coaches who think dump and run is great soccer.


Royals aren't gonna win 'em all

[asava]

We have middle school coaches who think dump and run is great soccer.


Royals aren't gonna win 'em all

We have middle school and high school coaches who are shop teachers just looking for a little extra cash and generally don't know a thing about soccer.

[scottwildcat]

Not enough body bags for MIR