Author Topic: US Men's National Team Soccer Thread! (lower division thread) (Read 447860 times)

asava · « **Reply #5150 on:** October 08, 2015, 08:01:09 PM »

Quote from: sunny_cat on October 08, 2015, 05:58:12 PM

asava do you watch MLS? (this is an unrelated question)

Not a ton. Mostly watch Champions League matches when I get the chance.

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5151 on:** October 08, 2015, 08:01:24 PM »

Ohhhhhh you think friendlies matter. Lol. Success is actually judged on performance in big tournaments asava.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #5152 on:** October 08, 2015, 08:22:14 PM »

asava I'm not a Jürgen hater. I'm not, but with that Gold Cup showing and how this team has been since, he should be fired if we lose on Saturday.

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scottwildcat · « **Reply #5153 on:** October 08, 2015, 09:13:20 PM »

https://twitter.com/misterchiping/status/652304471779885056

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asava · « **Reply #5154 on:** October 09, 2015, 01:23:45 AM »

Quote from: sunny_cat on October 08, 2015, 08:01:24 PM

Ohhhhhh you think friendlies matter. Lol. Success is actually judged on performance in big tournaments asava.

like the World Cup?

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5155 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:07:59 AM »

Quote from: asava on October 09, 2015, 01:23:45 AM

Quote from: sunny_cat on October 08, 2015, 08:01:24 PM
Ohhhhhh you think friendlies matter. Lol. Success is actually judged on performance in big tournaments asava.

like the World Cup?

Yeah exactly. The WC where Jurgen had one good game and got absolutely run off the field by Belgium. No better than Bob Bradley.

asava · « **Reply #5156 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:11:02 AM »

Quote from: sunny_cat on October 09, 2015, 08:07:59 AM

Quote from: asava on October 09, 2015, 01:23:45 AM
Quote from: sunny_cat on October 08, 2015, 08:01:24 PM
Ohhhhhh you think friendlies matter. Lol. Success is actually judged on performance in big tournaments asava.

like the World Cup?
Yeah exactly. The WC where Jurgen had one good game and got absolutely run off the field by Belgium. No better than Bob Bradley.

If you don't think the WC 2014 run was a success, then we obviously are on different pages. Alls I'm saying is that he has performed, and done so better than anyone else that we have had. Losing games during the Gold cup while experimenting with line-ups, trying new players, and developing young ones is a terrible excuse to want to fire a guy who is completely restructuring and reorganizing American soccer.

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5157 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:13:04 AM »

Experimenting with lineups and trying unproven players in the Gold Cup should have never happened imo. Outside of the group stages at least.

asava · « **Reply #5158 on:** October 09, 2015, 12:15:38 PM »

Why? Seriously, I do not care about winning the Gold Cup. The only purpose it serves is to formulate and prepare for the World Cup. JK has obviously used it to experiment, and I think he's right to do it so long as he is working on long term success. He walked into a team of players that, for the most part, was or were soon to be over the hill. He's made a pretty straightforward effort to get younger and to get those younger players time in bigger situations.

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5159 on:** October 09, 2015, 12:40:07 PM »

So I guess you and JK also don't care about the Confederations Cup either? Why do you care about overall winning percentage if literally all you care about is the WC?

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5160 on:** October 09, 2015, 12:41:47 PM »

Not saying it's a bad thing. I thinks it's good to have a difference of opinion in these threads. But you are in a small majority of Jurgen supporters.

asava · « **Reply #5161 on:** October 09, 2015, 03:23:24 PM »

Quote from: sunny_cat on October 09, 2015, 12:40:07 PM

So I guess you and JK also don't care about the Confederations Cup either? Why do you care about overall winning percentage if literally all you care about is the WC?

I used winning percentage to show that people who share opinions similar to LD10 are off base and unfair in their assessment/expectation of JK and the job he has been tasked with. I also find it infinitely funny that American fans demand that we win anything in soccer just because they recently started following MLS and think that we are a legitimate soccer nation. We aren't. We could be, but that change doesn't happen overnight, and we are closer to that goal due to the work and progress JK has made. I'm not saying he's perfect, nor am I saying that he makes all the right decisions, but I am saying that he generally knows more about soccer than any USA soccer fan/player/coach before him. People droning on about his terrible coaching and the results he gets seem to be unrealistic and out of touch with what he has actually done with the team, and a good example of that is his win percentage, which doesn't say everything about his teams performances, but generally is a pretty good benchmark when comparing to other coaches who have dealt with similar, if not easier tasks.

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5162 on:** October 10, 2015, 09:52:33 AM »

I'm done here. Go Cats.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #5163 on:** October 10, 2015, 04:07:07 PM »

U23s lost to Honduras, must now win the 3rd place game and then beat Columbia to make the olympics. This is a rough ridin' travesty. Very well could be the second straight Olympics without the men's team.

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sunny_cat · « **Reply #5164 on:** October 10, 2015, 07:35:55 PM »

Especially since it is a very good team. Easily better than last Olympics.

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5165 on:** October 10, 2015, 07:36:41 PM »

Beat rough ridin' Mexico you guys. Lineup looks good. Let's do it.

scottwildcat · « **Reply #5166 on:** October 10, 2015, 11:31:30 PM »

Fire Jürgen now

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sunny_cat · « **Reply #5167 on:** October 10, 2015, 11:34:34 PM »

Quote from: scottwildcat on October 10, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

Fire Jürgen now

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what do you think the odds of that happening are?

ednksu · « **Reply #5168 on:** October 10, 2015, 11:58:05 PM »

eff many many many things tonight.....

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5169 on:** October 11, 2015, 12:12:12 AM »

Sunil is ADJC and refuses to fire his coach because it would make him look bad.

ednksu · « **Reply #5170 on:** October 11, 2015, 12:16:50 AM »

But JK doesn't have tuck nation behind him with a sunshine pumping dipshit like stanbot or Why@ telling American fans why they should be proud.

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5171 on:** October 11, 2015, 12:35:28 AM »

Quote from: ednksu on October 11, 2015, 12:16:50 AM

But JK doesn't have tuck nation behind him with a sunshine pumping dipshit like stanbot or Why@ telling American fans why they should be proud.

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Yeah but he has people like asava.

asava · « **Reply #5172 on:** October 11, 2015, 10:13:47 AM »

MakeItRain · « **Reply #5173 on:** October 11, 2015, 04:18:14 PM »

I didn't read asava's long posts but did he address his inconsistent talking points of:
1. Jürgen isn't as successful because American soccer because we aren't as advanced as more successful countries.
2. Landon is a dumbass for wanting to elevate expectations

The bottom line is that US Soccer isn't measurably better and Jürgen has fell short of his stated goals. What about that spells out success?

sunny_cat · « **Reply #5174 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:17:06 PM »

:tappingfootguy:

Poll

I'm thinking of wrecking threads everywhere until this shit gets fixed or I get banned, should I?

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