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Quote from: scottwildcat on December 07, 2017, 08:47:20 PMQuote from: justanotherguy on December 07, 2017, 08:44:26 PMQuote from: scottwildcat on December 07, 2017, 08:40:11 PMQuote from: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 08:31:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year?
Quote from: justanotherguy on December 07, 2017, 08:44:26 PMQuote from: scottwildcat on December 07, 2017, 08:40:11 PMQuote from: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 08:31:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
Quote from: scottwildcat on December 07, 2017, 08:40:11 PMQuote from: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 08:31:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.
Quote from: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 08:31:10 PMhttps://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.
When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 11:33:58 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 10:24:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 10:00:29 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 08:25:45 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.I agree with thisMo Latimore has almost been here longer than Snyder.
Quote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 10:24:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 10:00:29 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 08:25:45 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.I agree with this
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 10:00:29 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 08:25:45 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.
Quote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 08:25:45 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Quote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
Quote from: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coachesI think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
Quote from: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PMQuote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
Quote from: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AMQuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.htmlHe's also never hired a minority coordinator
QuoteSince returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
Quote from: Cire on December 08, 2017, 11:49:14 AMI always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.This was the narrative during the end of Snyder 1.0
Quote from: stunted on December 08, 2017, 04:10:33 AMthe fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.
Klein is definitely not ready but honestly idgaf as long as Snyder is here.
Go save that Meachum guy in Lawrence from career suicide
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.Six years for Matt CampbellFive years for Lincoln RileySix for Scott FrostFour for Josh HeupelThree for Willie TaggartThree for KliffNext season will be season five for Klein
I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.
in the end, EMAW will always win.
Quote from: Sandstone Outcropping on December 08, 2017, 08:59:15 AMWhen I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.[youtube] [/youtube]
I would hope to think Klein would know how to run the offense with Thompson at QB, but what do I know? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk