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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #975 on: December 17, 2017, 12:58:49 PM »
That’s a tough one, t’s and p’s
it’s not like I’m tired of WINNING, but dude, let me catch my breath.

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #976 on: December 17, 2017, 01:02:49 PM »
Thx, marrying a successful girl is sometimes hard

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #977 on: December 17, 2017, 01:08:16 PM »
No that’s not it, but it’s probably not appropriate to point out here.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #978 on: December 17, 2017, 01:11:16 PM »
Weird

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« Reply #979 on: December 17, 2017, 01:14:37 PM »
Very weird
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #980 on: December 17, 2017, 01:17:25 PM »
It’s all in what he told us, but I’m gonna drop it
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #981 on: December 17, 2017, 02:02:48 PM »
It’s all in what he told us, but I’m gonna drop it


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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #982 on: December 17, 2017, 02:18:53 PM »
It’s all in what he told us, but I’m gonna drop it


Yeah you're God damn right you are...

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It’s just heartbreaking that’s all........
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #983 on: December 17, 2017, 03:42:33 PM »
sorry to be so long in responding.

According to the IRS:

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To qualify for S corporation status, the corporation must meet the following requirements:

Be a domestic corporation
Have only allowable shareholders
May be individuals, certain trusts, and estates and
May not be partnerships, corporations or non-resident alien shareholders
Have no more than 100 shareholders
Have only one class of stock
Not be an ineligible corporation (i.e. certain financial institutions, insurance companies, and domestic international sales corporations).

fair enough.  i was going more for a ham sandwich can be an s corp rather than hormel can be an s corp, but i was imprecise - you're right most c corps could not be s corps.


I know this has been discussed before, but I really think you should get a qualified opinion on this.  If you are an employee, your employer is almost certainly required to withhold payroll taxes from your income.  Does not matter whether you are a flesh and blood person or an s-corp.  I mean, if we employ a nanny for more than $2,000/year we are required to withhold payroll taxes.

i'm not an employee.  neither are any of the people i work with (at least not the ones contracting through the same company that contracts me).  we are all independent contractors, the discussion is simply whether to be sole props, partners or s corps.


I'm not sure exactly how to look this figure up, but...come on.

you're looking at stuff that doesn't matter (employees, size) as well as stuff that matters less (capital investment).  we're talking about taxes.  what matters is the tax structure.  personnel expenses occur prior to taxation - they are irrelevant.  the key difference is what ksu-w identified:  s corps are taxed once, just like an individual.  c corps are independent entities - their income does not pass through to the owners, hence profits are (eventually) taxed twice.  to give an s corp a tax rate comparable to a c corp would be inherently unfair to the owners of the c corp because the c corp shareholders would be subject to additional taxation before assuming control of that income.  to give an s corp a rate lower than an wage-earning individual is inherently unfair to the wage earner because the income of the s corp passes through directly to the owner(s) in exactly the same fashion that wages pass to wage earners.

i'll give you that there is some distinction between the income of a pass through attributable to return on capital invested vs compensation for labor.  however, the lower tax rates on income from capital than income from labor seems to me to be the root problem in our tax code, so i'm not particularly sympathetic to that argument.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #984 on: December 17, 2017, 03:47:43 PM »
this is an interesting article on the subject.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-pass-through-businesses-let-the-tax-games-begin-1513161000


for all i think this is a remarkably poor attempt at tax reform, if i understand the reconciled bill correctly, and if my 2018 income is similar to my 2017 income, it's going to give me a lot of money.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #985 on: December 17, 2017, 03:53:27 PM »
If the "scholarship" is offered as compensation to do a job, its income. Please explain why TA's deserve a special tax break.

if you use a coupon, should you be taxed on the difference from list price?
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #986 on: December 17, 2017, 04:02:47 PM »
I don't recommend doing any of this by the way, its overly complicated for the benefit you get.

the generous limit on how much income you can shelter in a solo 401k is a huge benefit.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #987 on: December 17, 2017, 04:08:27 PM »
This is all purely academic anyhow, no one is going to take the time to pay for someone to set all this up.

I think every rational human being agrees with you on that.

i think the more likely scenario is that employees will leave employers and begin working with other entities as independent contractors, not that employers will voluntarily reorganize to benefit their former employees.  that's what i did earlier this year.  the new tax cuts for independent contractors would just make that decision that much more attractive.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #988 on: December 17, 2017, 04:35:46 PM »
If the "scholarship" is offered as compensation to do a job, its income. Please explain why TA's deserve a special tax break.

if you use a coupon, should you be taxed on the difference from list price?

Am I being given the coupon as compensation to do a job?
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #989 on: December 17, 2017, 04:38:43 PM »
are lottery winners subject to taxation?
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #990 on: December 17, 2017, 04:40:56 PM »
yes
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #991 on: December 17, 2017, 04:41:35 PM »
If the "scholarship" is offered as compensation to do a job, its income. Please explain why TA's deserve a special tax break.

if you use a coupon, should you be taxed on the difference from list price?

Am I being given the coupon as compensation to do a job?

an employee discount would be more analogous
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #992 on: December 17, 2017, 05:53:43 PM »
Employers eat the tax on a lot of benefits they offer to employees.

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #993 on: December 17, 2017, 06:02:44 PM »
This is all purely academic anyhow, no one is going to take the time to pay for someone to set all this up.

I think every rational human being agrees with you on that.

i think the more likely scenario is that employees will leave employers and begin working with other entities as independent contractors, not that employers will voluntarily reorganize to benefit their former employees.  that's what i did earlier this year.  the new tax cuts for independent contractors would just make that decision that much more attractive.

Do you really, though?  I read a study about how employees were told they could get $X more employer contribution to their retirement account (or something along those lines), they just had to sign a form and take it down to HR.  Something like 20-30% of employees did it.

You might need to spend some more time with the common man if you think he is going to cease being a regular employee, organize his own business, and shop himself around to employers as an independent contractor.

Also, I believe it has been discussed earlier but the vast majority of wage earners cannot simply do the same work as an independent contractor.  At least not in a way that employers are comfortable with.

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« Reply #994 on: December 17, 2017, 06:23:13 PM »
it only makes sense for people that are making/would be making pretty good money.  if there is a sense that this change is likely to be long-lasting, i do think a noticeable % of that population can and will make a change.
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #995 on: December 17, 2017, 06:46:43 PM »
LLC >>>>> S Corp
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #997 on: December 18, 2017, 11:39:44 AM »
Raise my taxes to own the libs

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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #998 on: December 18, 2017, 05:47:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/MonmouthPoll/status/942786886673817600

Which just goes to show how effective the Dem propaganda has been. If you're a liberal, are you happy that people are so misinformed?
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Re: Taxes (GOP 2017 edition)
« Reply #999 on: December 18, 2017, 05:50:40 PM »
So, like, the propaganda machine from Trumps Twitter is all true?  We are not being misinformed?