Vegas shooting

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

[Dugout DickStone]

god our country has a ton of idiots if the AR is the most popular gun

[cfbandyman]

You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.

I got a friend on FB that is literally trying to turn this into a grassy knoll-like conspiracy.

[Trim]

Break Up the United States.

[Gooch]

god our country has a ton of idiots if the AR is the most popular gun

You are aware of who just got elected, right?

[gatoveintisiete]

Legislating morality is hard, could start by teaching it.

[Gooch]

You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.

I got a friend on FB that is literally trying to turn this into a grassy knoll-like conspiracy.

Alex Jones just got another 2 years worth of material for his band of morons to lap up.

[Gooch]

Legislating morality is hard, could start by teaching it.

coming from the party against womens freedom of choice.

[cfbandyman]

You guys see the conspiracy out there. Shots look like they're coming from the 12th floor instead.

I had some buds on FB who ran this down. Apparently there are more videos before the shooting showing the same strobes in the windows.

I got a friend on FB that is literally trying to turn this into a grassy knoll-like conspiracy.

Alex Jones just got another 2 years worth of material for his band of morons to lap up.

Oh absolutely. Here's a taste of his (paraphrased) posts:
So many "other shootings "reported" by "unnamed" sources.

Questions raised by some person claiming to be shouting that people were about to die minutes before it happened. Questions about how the exits to a controlled concert venue were "blocked" to  keep people from leaving.

One of his links show the inside of what was supposedly the Aria which also experienced a shooting, apparently. I have been to the Aria, and that casino floor is like a 180 of what those photos show.

And on and on and on.

[gatoveintisiete]

Legislating morality is hard, could start by teaching it.

coming from the party against womens freedom of choice.

They believe it's not moral to kill babies, the problem is a big part of our population doesn't agree on where our moral foundations come from.  Sad

[MakeItRain]

Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

[catastrophe]

Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

You ask that as if it doesn't have a completely obvious answer. First of all, think about the term ASSAULT rifle. Second, only the most depraved people use auto and semi auto weapons to hunt. Third, those weapons are terrible for really close range (home defense). So what the eff else are they designed for? Target practice? Get a nerf or paintball gun if you only care about hitting a target.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

You ask that as if it doesn't have a completely obvious answer. First of all, think about the term ASSAULT rifle. Second, only the most depraved people use auto and semi auto weapons to hunt. Third, those weapons are terrible for really close range (home defense). So what the eff else are they designed for? Target practice? Get a nerf or paintball gun if you only care about hitting a target.

So.... pointing to the term "assault rifle" in support of your argument is the tail wagging the dog. And based upon what I'm reading the AR-15 uses a relatively small and weak caliber bullet. People prefer them for ease of use and relatively low recoil for a rifle. They are highly accurate and a weapon of choice for target shooting. Again, that's just what I'm reading. I would think a smaller, less conspicuous firearm would actually a better design for "killing people" but that's just my opinion. Regardless, you still have provided absolutely no justification that the AR15 is any more "purely designed to kill people" than any other gun.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

What would a national gun registry do? How would you use it to stop these sorts of mass shootings?

[star seed 7]

Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.

[chum1]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

[catastrophe]

Banning the manufacture and ownership of rifles designed purely to kill people is not a dramatic curtailment of gun rights.

That's a rather trite statement. What makes a semi-automatic rifle any more "purely designed to kill people" than another firearm?

You ask that as if it doesn't have a completely obvious answer. First of all, think about the term ASSAULT rifle. Second, only the most depraved people use auto and semi auto weapons to hunt. Third, those weapons are terrible for really close range (home defense). So what the eff else are they designed for? Target practice? Get a nerf or paintball gun if you only care about hitting a target.

So.... pointing to the term "assault rifle" in support of your argument is the tail wagging the dog. And based upon what I'm reading the AR-15 uses a relatively small and weak caliber bullet. People prefer them for ease of use and relatively low recoil for a rifle. They are highly accurate and a weapon of choice for target shooting. Again, that's just what I'm reading. I would think a smaller, less conspicuous firearm would actually a better design for "killing people" but that's just my opinion. Regardless, you still have provided absolutely no justification that the AR15 is any more "purely designed to kill people" than any other gun.

Well I clearly already won this argument, but just because I find these justifications fascinating, how about the fact that the AR15 started out and was heavily marketed as a military weapon?

http://rdltactical.com/a-little-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle/

First link I saw on google. Feel free to post your own that show this was designed as a target practice gun.

[star seed 7]

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

What would a national gun registry do? How would you use it to stop these sorts of mass shootings?

Personally I'm more interested in stopping everyday gun violence than mass shootings.

[Gooch]

Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

They are actually sold by police departments to raise $$.

[Gooch]

Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.

As an owner of 2 different caliber AR platform rifles and several hand guns this should absolutely be acceptable to any gun owner.

[IPA4Me]

Gun owner here.

AR15 is a range gun for most people. Somewhat useful for home defense. I'd rather grab the .380 with hollow points. If I miss, it's stopping in the wall.

AR15 is really only useful for dropping coyotes. Not really enough power for deer hunting at any longer distance. Waste of power for smaller animals. Too much meat damage.

For hunting, I'll take a scoped bolt action and my 12ga with a couple of chokes. Plus a .22  or 410 for squirrels and rabbits.

With that, the gun enthusiast talking points don't really hold water with me regarding the AR semis. They're militia weapons. Guess that's why the hardcore 2A supporters want to keep them legal.

[Dugout DickStone]

What is a militia weapon?

[XocolateThundarr]

Look, I get that there are a massive amount of guns and types of guns out there, so there will be extreme difficulty in legislation. However, it seems logical to me that high caliber weapons that are semi automatic, have large ammunition cartridges/clips, and are simply designed and built to mow down mass amounts of people would be a sensible start. The fact that 59 people are dead and 527 are injured in a very short amount of time would lead me to believe that he wasn't using a bolt action .22 or a 12 gauge shot gun. It doesn't take a ton of logic to imagine the type of weapon that was used to accomplish such carnage, especially after hearing the bursts on the videos. I don't need to know the make and model honestly.

What is you plan on the millions of these are out in the public?
Most are legally not registered nor is there a computer data base of serial numbers from the original sale (congress wouldnt allow it). If you propose legislation the will flood the market witht them prior to the ban (see clinton era) thus driving the price down and putting them in even more unstable peoples hands.

There should be a national weapon registry and every single weapon not tied to a registration should be melted. Seized guns find their way back onto the streets and that's insane.

Yup, everyone should have to register every gun, give a sizable grace period then confiscate and destroy any not voluntarily registered. It's insane that this is not already the case.

As an owner of 2 different caliber AR platform rifles and several hand guns this should absolutely be acceptable to any gun owner.

Every one of my weapons is registered except for an old .410 that was my great, great grandfather's.

[Phil Titola]

Gun owner here.

AR15 is a range gun for most people. Somewhat useful for home defense. I'd rather grab the .380 with hollow points. If I miss, it's stopping in the wall.

AR15 is really only useful for dropping coyotes. Not really enough power for deer hunting at any longer distance. Waste of power for smaller animals. Too much meat damage.

For hunting, I'll take a scoped bolt action and my 12ga with a couple of chokes. Plus a .22  or 410 for squirrels and rabbits.

With that, the gun enthusiast talking points don't really hold water with me regarding the AR semis. They're militia weapons. Guess that's why the hardcore 2A supporters want to keep them legal.

...and I think "enthusiasts" of guns get to take a backseat to public safety. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Does anyone who doesn't suck at sports do target shooting as a hobby?