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Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
« Reply #450 on: March 06, 2020, 06:40:26 PM »
You think this is revenge against Europe on Barry's part?

When you put it up against the test of why was the United States via proxy doing what they were doing in Syria these kinds of things have to be considered.   Because there's no reasonable explanation and the administration neither offered an explanation nor was ever truly asked by anyone of substance to provide an explanation.    The Obama administrations weird direct/proxy war on secular leaning regimes in the Middle East is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen from a foreign policy perspective.    Particularly knowing they had no real intent of being heavily engaged in the rebuilding.  Had Assad been overthrown the blood bath would have been many fold what it is and was. 




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Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
« Reply #451 on: March 06, 2020, 07:48:52 PM »
Maybe he wanted to replace Europeans with his people?

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« Reply #452 on: March 06, 2020, 08:58:16 PM »
Maybe he wanted to replace Europeans with his people?
You’re such a dork.

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« Reply #453 on: March 27, 2020, 08:04:24 PM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/27/eu_tempers_fray_as_coronavirus_hits_lives_livelihoods_economies_142797.html

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But the nine rapid-economic action countries want the immediate rollout of “coronabonds,” shared debt backed by all. This would let even those hardest-hit nations borrow at sustainably low interest rates as their spending balloons on hospitals, measures to pay wages and to stop bankruptcies. Germany and the Netherlands do not agree.

Many early responses to the virus at the national level - uncoordinated actions like the partial closure of borders, some of which have disrupted European medical and food supply chains, or the failure of nervous governments to share masks with countries in need - also seem to have undermined mutual trust.

It’s a commodity that once lost could prove very hard to restore, particularly among expectant citizens.

“When Europe really needed to be there for each other, too many initially looked out for themselves. When Europe really needed an ‘all for one’ spirit, too many initially gave an ‘only for me’ response,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Thursday.

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Re: smoke your cigars...european realignment edition
« Reply #454 on: March 27, 2020, 09:16:39 PM »
Yeah all the border controls going up immediately was one thing, the economic fallout and the distrust and anger when Germany (have you looked at their tiny infection and death rates?)  comes out against helping Spain and Italy  plus be pretty bad.
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« Reply #455 on: April 26, 2020, 12:50:23 PM »
i don't know how it is that i missed this at the time.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-hq-used-facebook-ads-to-deceive-jeremy-corbyn-during-election-campaign-grlx75c27
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #456 on: April 26, 2020, 01:07:56 PM »
The labour party establishment is at least as bad the dems.
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« Reply #457 on: April 26, 2020, 01:26:33 PM »
they did almost win that time.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #458 on: April 26, 2020, 01:34:19 PM »
they did almost win that time.

being completely incoherent on Brexit (and the fact that it splits their constituents worse than the Tories) was/is their biggest problem.
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« Reply #459 on: April 26, 2020, 01:43:50 PM »
yeah, i doubt if their two-pronged facebook ads were why they came closer against may.

i think they were incoherent on brexit because there was no real winning position to be had - as you said, it splits labour in a way that any position would have alienated enough voters that they'd have lost.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."


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« Reply #461 on: December 24, 2020, 08:56:36 AM »
we've got a deal!

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« Reply #462 on: February 20, 2021, 01:19:28 PM »
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #463 on: February 20, 2021, 01:26:44 PM »
LOL