Is it fair for Transgenders to compete in sports as who they think they are? No

[Spracne]

In the future, if a statistic on any lgbt issue surprises me, I'll just keep it to myself.

Maybe you should ask yourself what mich and BAC were asking themselves: "Why does this surprise Dlew?"

[DQ12]

In the future, if a statistic on any lgbt issue surprises me, I'll just keep it to myself.

Maybe you should ask yourself what mich and BAC were asking themselves: "Why does this surprise Dlew?"

thanks.  i'll meditate on that.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I can’t help but notice your response was “THATS what you interpreted from what I said?” Rather than confirming or denying. It’s a pretty common tactic for people who try to avoid answering a question. But since we’re just putting all the cards on the table, was I accurate in my assessment? Do you think concerns about the safety and civil rights of the LGBTQ community are overblown? Are they in no more peril today than they were 10 years ago? Would you have any objection to the practice of making life as miserable as possible for those people being codified?

[DQ12]

I can’t help but notice your response was “THATS what you interpreted from what I said?” Rather than confirming or denying. It’s a pretty common tactic for people who try to avoid answering a question. But since we’re just putting all the cards on the table, was I accurate in my assessment? Do you think concerns about the safety and civil rights of the LGBTQ community are overblown? Are they in no more peril today than they were 10 years ago? Would you have any objection to the practice of making life as miserable as possible for those people being codified?

You don't get to call me a stupid bigot before asking what I think on the topic. 

[michigancat]

I can’t help but notice your response was “THATS what you interpreted from what I said?” Rather than confirming or denying. It’s a pretty common tactic for people who try to avoid answering a question. But since we’re just putting all the cards on the table, was I accurate in my assessment? Do you think concerns about the safety and civil rights of the LGBTQ community are overblown? Are they in no more peril today than they were 10 years ago? Would you have any objection to the practice of making life as miserable as possible for those people being codified?

FWIW, I don't think dlew deserves this. He's a thoughtful person.

[Spracne]

In the future, if a statistic on any lgbt issue surprises me, I'll just keep it to myself.

Maybe you should ask yourself what mich and BAC were asking themselves: "Why does this surprise Dlew?"

thanks.  i'll meditate on that.

Kind of a dickish response. I'm genuinely interested in your answer.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I can’t help but notice your response was “THATS what you interpreted from what I said?” Rather than confirming or denying. It’s a pretty common tactic for people who try to avoid answering a question. But since we’re just putting all the cards on the table, was I accurate in my assessment? Do you think concerns about the safety and civil rights of the LGBTQ community are overblown? Are they in no more peril today than they were 10 years ago? Would you have any objection to the practice of making life as miserable as possible for those people being codified?

You don't get to call me a stupid bigot before asking what I think on the topic.

Ok. So still not answering the question. Like I said, if I clocked you wrong then I offer you my sincerest apology.

[DQ12]

In the future, if a statistic on any lgbt issue surprises me, I'll just keep it to myself.

Maybe you should ask yourself what mich and BAC were asking themselves: "Why does this surprise Dlew?"

thanks.  i'll meditate on that.

Kind of a dickish response. I'm genuinely interested in your answer.

Why would this hypothetical future statistic would surprise me?  Because for decades gay marriage sentiment has been growing in the US.  Maybe it will plateau or reverse course in light of the current rhetoric, but it's a pretty established trend, so I don't think it's necessarily likely, let alone a given.  If you guys think it's a stone-cold given, that's fine too.  You could be right. It was just an off-hand comment.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I can’t help but notice your response was “THATS what you interpreted from what I said?” Rather than confirming or denying. It’s a pretty common tactic for people who try to avoid answering a question. But since we’re just putting all the cards on the table, was I accurate in my assessment? Do you think concerns about the safety and civil rights of the LGBTQ community are overblown? Are they in no more peril today than they were 10 years ago? Would you have any objection to the practice of making life as miserable as possible for those people being codified?

FWIW, I don't think dlew deserves this. He's a thoughtful person.

I know he’s a thoughtful person. Most of the stuff he posts I find agreeable/entertaining. However, it would appear we are diametrically opposed when it comes to the topic of whether or not it’s okay to legislate a group of people out of existence just because I disagree with how they want to exist on this planet. Or at least I suspect we are diametrically opposed. For whatever reason he will neither confirm nor deny.

[michigancat]

In the future, if a statistic on any lgbt issue surprises me, I'll just keep it to myself.

Maybe you should ask yourself what mich and BAC were asking themselves: "Why does this surprise Dlew?"

thanks.  i'll meditate on that.

Kind of a dickish response. I'm genuinely interested in your answer.

Why would this hypothetical future statistic would surprise me?  Because for decades gay marriage sentiment has been growing in the US.  Maybe it will plateau or reverse course in light of the current rhetoric, but it's a pretty established trend, so I don't think it's necessarily likely, let alone a given.  If you guys think it's a stone-cold given, that's fine too.  You could be right. It was just an off-hand comment.

Do you remember anyone calling a gay teacher a groomer sooner than like, last year? Do you remember someone boycotting any brands, much less multiple for selling pride merchandise? Have leading political candidates ran with anti-LGBTQ measures as a top policy priority since W?

Things are changing

[star seed 7]

I am pro-dlew posting his thoughts so stop being a weirdo to him

[Spracne]

I am pro-dlew posting his thoughts so stop being a weirdo to him

You need to @ people, because I've attempted to be nothing but civil.

[star seed 7]

@bac

[DQ12]

In the future, if a statistic on any lgbt issue surprises me, I'll just keep it to myself.

Maybe you should ask yourself what mich and BAC were asking themselves: "Why does this surprise Dlew?"

thanks.  i'll meditate on that.

Kind of a dickish response. I'm genuinely interested in your answer.

Why would this hypothetical future statistic would surprise me?  Because for decades gay marriage sentiment has been growing in the US.  Maybe it will plateau or reverse course in light of the current rhetoric, but it's a pretty established trend, so I don't think it's necessarily likely, let alone a given.  If you guys think it's a stone-cold given, that's fine too.  You could be right. It was just an off-hand comment.

Do you remember anyone calling a gay teacher a groomer sooner than like, last year? Do you remember someone boycotting any brands, much less multiple for selling pride merchandise? Have leading political candidates ran with anti-LGBTQ measures as a top policy priority since W?

Things are changing

Nope.  Nonetheless, I think homophobia has existed for a long time both in the political and non-political realms.  Maybe this new, more aggressive flavor (which I think is mostly directed towards trans issues) will resonate w/r/t gay marriage, but I just think that’s something so firmly entrenched at this point that when people get going on the GROOMER! tirades, they’re not really considering gay marriage.

Again, could definitely be wrong here.  We’ll see eventually.

[DQ12]

By analogy, if you look at the trends of interracial marriage approval, it has steadily risen since 1993 (when it was at about 50 percent ), notwithstanding the emergence of a lot of the white nationalist rhetoric during and in the wake of Trump.  I just  think that rhetoric like that (even awful rhetoric) doesn’t necessarily equate to “they shouldn’t get married!”

Disclaimer: none of this is to say I approve of the rhetoric.

[Spracne]

We have a sitting SCOTUS Justice who wrote in a concurring opinion to Dobbs that he wants to do away with Constitutional protections for gay people to marry or even to have gay sex in the privacy of their homes. Granted, he was silent on the question of interracial marriage.

[DQ12]

We have a sitting SCOTUS Justice who wrote in a concurring opinion to Dobbs that he wants to do away with Constitutional protections for gay people to marry or even to have gay sex in the privacy of their homes. Granted, he was silent on the question of interracial marriage.

I’m not sure Thomas’s concurrences are an accurate barometer of public sentiment.

[Spracne]

We have a sitting SCOTUS Justice who wrote in a concurring opinion to Dobbs that he wants to do away with Constitutional protections for gay people to marry or even to have gay sex in the privacy of their homes. Granted, he was silent on the question of interracial marriage.

I’m not sure Thomas’s concurrences are an accurate barometer of public sentiment.

I saw the quick edit 

[DQ12]

We have a sitting SCOTUS Justice who wrote in a concurring opinion to Dobbs that he wants to do away with Constitutional protections for gay people to marry or even to have gay sex in the privacy of their homes. Granted, he was silent on the question of interracial marriage.

I’m not sure Thomas’s concurrences are an accurate barometer of public sentiment.

I saw the quick edit 

[CHONGS]

LGBTQ stuff is getting used as a wedge issue by Republicans for a reason. This thread is great example why.


It's also a key part of the bigger fight to reinstate the right to legally discriminate, which I see at the ultimate goal of many on the right.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

@bac

Hey man people can say and feel whatever they want. I was just expressing that I strongly disagree with that particular sentiment. I’m not PIing anyone.

[Spracne]

All in all, this dust-up wasn't so bad. Could you imagine how things would have gone in this episode if Wacky were around?

[Pete]

LGBTQ stuff is getting used as a wedge issue by Republicans for a reason. This thread is great example why.


It's also a key part of the bigger fight to reinstate the right to legally discriminate, which I see at the ultimate goal of many on the right.

Agree on all of this

[mocat]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1669526756364103680?t=PV6XLoXsnSBi6hjJVD3kVA&s=19

[Dugout DickStone]

@bac

Hey man people can say and feel whatever they want. I was just expressing that I strongly disagree with that particular sentiment. I’m not PIing anyone.

You know what I always say, "stop pv$$y footing around"