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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2017, 11:01:14 PM »
nice job on the 3% d.   :)

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2017, 11:05:55 PM »
Turnovers, missed free throws and on the ball defense has very little to do with DJamer.

DJamer would have helped with the turnovers, broke the press last game against WVU and an inside presence will loosen up the guards a bit if the guards are digging on the post, and he would have acted as a deterrent inside so we wouldn't have allowed as many drives.

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2017, 11:08:17 PM »
nice job on the 3% d.   :)

It's not even the 33% shooting. It's allowing 12 of their pts from 3.

For a 7-8 game stretch, it was almost 28 pts per game from 3 with making nearly 50%.

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2017, 12:52:53 PM »
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How much did K-State miss Johnson, who averages 12.0 points and 6.3 rebounds?

“The last game, if you ask coach (Bob) Huggins, he fouled everyone out and was the difference in the game,” Weber said of Johnson’s 14-point, eight-rebound effort in K-State’s 79-75 win over West Virginia last month. “You don’t have that inside force. I wish Dean (Wade) would be a little stronger inside and try to get some things around the hoop. Maybe that’s to come in the future.

“You miss him, no doubt about that.”

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2017, 01:03:38 PM »
Our transition offense is the worst I've ever seen. It leads to transition poimts for our opponent more than it leads to points for us. Our guards either need to pull it out or start shooting pull up jumpers because they have about a 10% of scoring at the rim (including when they're fouled).
Transition offense requires players making decisions and oscar doesn't trust players to make decisions. "They force you to play basketball" is oscar's definitive quote IMO. He's really pretty good at setting up plays and making adjustments to break and create advantages against the press, but he isn't good at teaching/enabling players to execute a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1.

Based on what I've seen, he's right to not trust our players in transition, because they generally make horrible decisions
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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2017, 01:38:27 PM »
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How much did K-State miss Johnson, who averages 12.0 points and 6.3 rebounds?

“The last game, if you ask coach (Bob) Huggins, he fouled everyone out and was the difference in the game,” Weber said of Johnson’s 14-point, eight-rebound effort in K-State’s 79-75 win over West Virginia last month. “You don’t have that inside force. I wish Dean (Wade) would be a little stronger inside and try to get some things around the hoop. Maybe that’s to come in the future.

“You miss him, no doubt about that.”

That's a great quote. As pointed out in the broadcast, WVU has only had two foul outs the entire season, both were the guys guarding DJamer the last game.

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2017, 01:42:32 PM »
Our transition offense is the worst I've ever seen. It leads to transition poimts for our opponent more than it leads to points for us. Our guards either need to pull it out or start shooting pull up jumpers because they have about a 10% of scoring at the rim (including when they're fouled).
Transition offense requires players making decisions and oscar doesn't trust players to make decisions. "They force you to play basketball" is oscar's definitive quote IMO. He's really pretty good at setting up plays and making adjustments to break and create advantages against the press, but he isn't good at teaching/enabling players to execute a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1.

Based on what I've seen, he's right to not trust our players in transition, because they generally make horrible decisions

Could practice possibly improve decision-making?

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2017, 01:44:50 PM »
Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?
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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2017, 01:50:07 PM »
Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?

I'm suggesting it isn't done in an effective way. We're pretty bad at both and the players are all athletic and skilled enough to be at least average in transition.

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2017, 01:55:09 PM »
Those struggles make sense with oscar's Assistkeball philosophy. Having an assist on most of the makes is clearly a point of emphasis, so most of the offensive practice time has to be spent on working on the schemes and situations that facilitate that way of playing offense. Making individual plays off the dribble isn't a premium for oscar and his program. For coaches like Lon and Smart that would seem to be the opposite. Neither way is the right or wrong way to play, but I do see where it leads to the decision making problems that michigan suggests.

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2017, 02:01:29 PM »
Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?

I'm suggesting it isn't done in an effective way. We're pretty bad at both and the players are all athletic and skilled enough to be at least average in transition.

Agree, although I tend not to put player decision making on coaching. I guarantee these guys don't eff up that bad during practice
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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2017, 03:16:52 PM »


Are you suggesting that we don't practice transition offense/defense?

I'm suggesting it isn't done in an effective way. We're pretty bad at both and the players are all athletic and skilled enough to be at least average in transition.

Agree, although I tend not to put player decision making on coaching. I guarantee these guys don't eff up that bad during practice

Coaching can absolutely impact decision making quality. If they aren't rough ridin' up that bad during practice as you guarantee, there's something wrong with how they practice.

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Re: Huggly 2nd half leads to (another) road loss; WVU ADV
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2017, 04:03:00 PM »
Okay, Michigancat :rolleyes:
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