Author Topic: Trump owns Russia (Read 1056390 times)

catastrophe · « **Reply #4100 on:** February 02, 2018, 12:29:11 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 02, 2018, 11:50:32 AM

This is appalling. https://www.axios.com/read-nunes-memo-fbi-doj-fisa-mueller-7fb8bcb7-1f18-4294-aa95-628d2f67bcdf.html

I thought pubs might be overselling this. They weren’t.

Can you explain?

I just read it and it sounds like it is saying the FISA court permitted surveillance based on insufficient evidence, but the memo does not disclose what all evidence the warrants were based on.

catastrophe · « **Reply #4101 on:** February 02, 2018, 12:30:41 PM »

Although I will say I have no idea what the objections were from Democrats/FBI based on disclosing "sources and methods." I feel like people have been talking about all the stuff in the memo for weeks now.

Woogy · « **Reply #4102 on:** February 02, 2018, 12:38:32 PM »

Quote from: catastrophe on February 02, 2018, 12:30:41 PM

Although I will say I have no idea what the objections were from Democrats/FBI based on disclosing "sources and methods." I feel like people have been talking about all the stuff in the memo for weeks now.

Yeah - That's another big WTF about all this: That any of the memo, or what the FBI did/did not do is classified.

Woogy · « **Reply #4103 on:** February 02, 2018, 12:48:26 PM »

Also - Yahoo News

And Isikopf gets clownsuited.

sys · « **Reply #4104 on:** February 02, 2018, 12:53:32 PM »

i knew it was going to be a stupid empty memo because ca 22nd representative nunes is a stupid empty man.

chum1 · « **Reply #4105 on:** February 02, 2018, 01:11:57 PM »

Quote from: sys on February 02, 2018, 12:53:32 PM

i knew it was going to be a stupid empty memo because ca 22nd representative nunes is a stupid empty man.

Is he your rep?

sys · « **Reply #4106 on:** February 02, 2018, 01:15:25 PM »

he is.

chum1 · « **Reply #4107 on:** February 02, 2018, 01:22:28 PM »

renocat · « **Reply #4108 on:** February 02, 2018, 01:27:41 PM »

To me this is a case where false information was generated by Hillary Clinton’s organization, and this information was used to justify applying for a FISA warrant to spy on a private citizen of the United States who was a volunteer advisor to Trump. Clinton and sympathetic people in DOJ and FBI executives weaponized their investigative powers for political purposes to destroy Trump or to negate the will of the people. This FISA witch hunt led to the appointment of Mueller and the damage being done to the president.

Honestly I don't give a rip about Trump, but I am alarmed at the use of the FBI and DOJ to take out a candidate for president, and then to try to gin up falsehoods with false information to destroy his presidency. Someday it may be a clandestine group of Republican bureaucrats trying to destroy a fairly elected Democrat. My concern is does this go past a few.rogue players.

LickNeckey · « **Reply #4109 on:** February 02, 2018, 01:30:08 PM »

chum1 · « **Reply #4110 on:** February 02, 2018, 01:37:26 PM »

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/959508554519666688

Gooch · « **Reply #4111 on:** February 02, 2018, 02:08:00 PM »

Quote from: renocat on February 02, 2018, 01:27:41 PM

To me this is a case where false information was generated by Hillary Clinton’s organization, and this information was used to justify applying for a FISA warrant to spy on a private citizen of the United States who was a volunteer advisor to Trump. Clinton and sympathetic people in DOJ and FBI executives weaponized their investigative powers for political purposes to destroy Trump or to negate the will of the people. This FISA witch hunt led to the appointment of Mueller and the damage being done to the president.

Honestly I don't give a rip about Trump, but I am alarmed at the use of the FBI and DOJ to take out a candidate for president, and then to try to gin up falsehoods with false information to destroy his presidency. Someday it may be a clandestine group of Republican bureaucrats trying to destroy a fairly elected Democrat. My concern is does this go past a few.rogue players.

This is breaking with my policy to respond to this horrible sock but my god.

chum1 · « **Reply #4112 on:** February 02, 2018, 02:23:46 PM »

Team Trump is going to have to cook up a fresh batch of attacks on Mueller's investigation.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/959505669157261313

wetwillie · « **Reply #4113 on:** February 02, 2018, 02:27:02 PM »

We finally get him chum or nah?

chum1 · « **Reply #4114 on:** February 02, 2018, 02:28:57 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on February 02, 2018, 02:27:02 PM

We finally get him chum or nah?

That's not a fair question. These things take a long time regardless.

8manpick · « **Reply #4115 on:** February 02, 2018, 02:38:14 PM »

If there is a better way to link a thread of tweets, mods should change it...

Quote from: Brad Heath Tweet Thread

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959483742711681026

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959486116608073729

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959487512384294914

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959490244998557696

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959494869873037312

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959513185756897281

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/959517691932487680

Phil Titola · « **Reply #4116 on:** February 02, 2018, 02:56:09 PM »

Sounds like the real nothingburger came out today. Love how Trump is uniting the country though....everybody is happy this came out it appears.

renocat · « **Reply #4117 on:** February 02, 2018, 04:28:46 PM »

I would like to see the Democrats memo. The following from Chris Wallace seems to make sense that there is another side to the story. Not just the dossier was used for this FISA warrant.

Wallace said, “I think there are some parts of it that are damaging to the FBI and to the Trump investigation, raise questions about it. And there are some aspects of it that are striking to me, in terms of what it leaves out, what it omits. One other point that I think is important to make right at the start, is that you heard from Adam Schiff and some of the Congressional Democrats how damaging this memo was to national security, that basically, it gave up sources and methods. There’s none of that in here.”

He later added, “Certainly, the use of the dossier seems to have been improper. But we don’t know how big a role that played in the FISA warrant. … [T]he idea that the only evidence in the FISA warrant was the dossier seems highly unlikely. There’s another point I think is being overlooked here. Carter Page was not just some innocent babe in the woods who was being attacked by FBI. In 2013, this hasn’t been mentioned at all, in 2013, Russian intelligence agents tried to recruit Carter Page as an agent for the Russians in this country. In 2014, Carter Page — this was years before Donald Trump ran for president, Carter Page was the subject of a separate FISA warrant.”

Phil Titola · « **Reply #4118 on:** February 02, 2018, 05:31:51 PM »

Didn't the memo say the investigation started after Trump's own dude's testimony?

8manpick · « **Reply #4119 on:** February 02, 2018, 08:16:45 PM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456063/nunes-memo-big-flaw-confirms-new-york-times-story

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #4120 on:** February 02, 2018, 10:07:32 PM »

Quote from: catastrophe on February 02, 2018, 12:29:11 PM

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 02, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
This is appalling. https://www.axios.com/read-nunes-memo-fbi-doj-fisa-mueller-7fb8bcb7-1f18-4294-aa95-628d2f67bcdf.html

I thought pubs might be overselling this. They weren’t.

Can you explain?

I just read it and it sounds like it is saying the FISA court permitted surveillance based on insufficient evidence, but the memo does not disclose what all evidence the warrants were based on.

I think it’s pretty horrible that the FBI used uncorroborated oppo research from the Clinton campaign to wiretap a no-name campaign staffer in order to snoop on the opposing nominee’s campaign. I personally don’t think our intelligence agencies should be acting like political hatchetmen, but I guess that makes me old fashioned.

Here’s a good summary of the summary by Andrew McCarthy. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456079/republican-house-releases-fisa-memo-confirms-steele-dossier-suspicions

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The Obama Justice Department and the FBI used the unverified Steele dossier to convince a federal court to issue a warrant authorizing surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser. Confirmation came in the much-anticipated memorandum released today by the Republican-controlled House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

The memo states that the Obama administration concealed from the court that the dossier was commissioned and paid for by the political campaign of Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Nor was the court informed that the dossier’s author, former British spy Christopher Steele, told a senior Justice Department official that he was “desperate” to prevent Trump from being elected president.

Moreover, despite presenting dossier information as probable cause on four separate occasions — for the initial FISA warrant in October 2016, and three times in the ensuing months — the FBI failed to verify the dossier’s explosive allegations and failed to inform the court that its efforts to corroborate the allegations had been ?unavailing. ?Indeed, the memo relates that the government once presented a news story to the court as corroboration for Steele’s claims, apparently unaware that Steele himself was the source for the news story.

The FISA court warrant targeted Carter Page, who had volunteered to serve as a Trump campaign foreign-policy adviser. The memo relates that the warrant was originally issued on October 21, 2016, and re-authorized three times thereafter. Under FISA, warrants targeting American citizens lapse after 90 days. If you’re keeping score, that means a warrant based on claims that Trump was corruptly aligned with the Kremlin was renewed twice after Donald Trump became president.

According to the committee testimony of former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, the information in the dossier was necessary to the probable-cause showing required to justify issuance of a FISA warrant. That is, the warrant would not have been issued without the dossier information.

Obviously, the obscure Page was not the main target of the investigation. What animated the government was the possibility of Russian COLUSION with the Donald Trump presidential campaign. It is also what animated Steele in crafting the dossier. Yet, the Intelligence Committee’s memo notes former FBI director James Comey’s acknowledgement in June 2017 Senate testimony that these dossier allegations were “salacious and unverified.”

It appears that they always were. The FBI’s assistant director Bill Priestap told the committee that efforts to corroborate Steele were in their “infancy” when the first warrant was sought. Very shortly thereafter, following a Mother Jones interview of Steele published on October 31, 2016 (i.e., ten days after the initial warrant was issued), Steele was suspended and then terminated as an informant for violating his agreement not to disclose his status as an FBI informant. The memo says that after Steele’s termination, the bureau assessed the corroboration of his claims to be “minimal.”

Yet, high-ranking FBI and Justice Department officials continued to approve warrant applications to the FISA court based on Steele’s claims.

bucket · « **Reply #4121 on:** February 02, 2018, 10:25:43 PM »

Ok, now put it all on the table. How much of that do you actually believe?

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #4122 on:** February 03, 2018, 07:39:15 AM »

All of it. If any of the claims are false, let’s get the information out there. It’s nice to see our House Intelligence Oversight Committee actually providing some oversight of our intelligence agencies. These people aren’t gods. They should be held to account when they abuse their trust and power.

8manpick · « **Reply #4123 on:** February 03, 2018, 08:08:38 AM »

https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/959637869479579648

Quote from:

The importance of the Steele dossier to the surveillance applications and the disclosures by the FBI are a matter of intense disagreement. A person who has reviewed the surveillance-warrant application said Mr. Steele’s research formed only a part of the application. The other information included in the application hasn’t been declassified, though Mr. Trump has that authority.

Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the intelligence committee, disputed the memo’s contention that the FBI didn’t disclose the political motive behind Mr. Steele’s research, saying that the memo is a political document full of omissions and cherry-picked facts designed to muddy the waters of the Russia investigation, which has already ensnared several top Trump advisers. Mr. Mueller has also asked to interview the president as he investigates whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice, which the president has denied.

“This was about telling a political story that’s helpful to the president. It’s about telling a political story that’s designed to injure the work of the special counsel and to discredit it,” said Mr. Schiff.

Democrats on the committee have compiled their own memo on the matter, which addresses the information that prosecutors used beyond Mr. Steele’s research, but the GOP-controlled committee has so far blocked its release.

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A person familiar with the matter said that four separate federal judges approved the surveillance of Mr. Page, and all of those judges were appointed by Republican presidents.

So which is it? All the Steele Dossier, or maybe some other stuff too? Maybe reasonable considering the investigations of him in 2013-14 wrt Russia?

catastrophe · « **Reply #4124 on:** February 03, 2018, 08:10:22 AM »

Yea I feel that me and KSUW are saying completely different things. Let’s try it this way:

Nunes: what’s the temperature outside?

Me: about 70

Nunes: no way, prove it

Me: well the thermometer says 70, weather.com says it’s 70 in this area, and look even Larry Nasser who is in town for sentencing just tweeted it is a lovely 70 degrees

Nunes: OMG so you’re basing your claim on a tweet from a child molester! Hey everybody, this guy is trying to use hearsay from a child molester to support his claim about the weather!

So #TheMemo seems pretty inconsequential to me without explaining all the evidence relied upon. In fact, I’m beginning to be convinced that the purpose behind this memo all along has been to try to goad the FBI into revealing the evidence they have on Trump so far.