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The Play Hard Chart
« on: December 06, 2016, 07:53:21 PM »
Tonight is the first time I have heard of such a thing.  What is it,  what does it do? Does Kansas have one? Emaw

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2016, 08:00:34 PM »
It is the chart that charts the demise of WildWildcat bball.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2016, 08:24:09 PM »
oscar's dream is to cash in with an endorsement. "This play hard moment of the game brought to by Viagra."

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2016, 08:29:13 PM »
  Irrelevant letters like W  are not allowed on the chart.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2016, 08:30:12 PM »
The PHC is reviewed post game over orange slices and juice boxes.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 08:43:02 PM »
It's a thing oscar created, just not as famous yet as LHC Bill Snyder's powercat.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2016, 09:18:33 PM »
It's a thing oscar created, just not as famous yet as LHC Bill Snyder's powercat.

We had it in high school, a lot of basketball teams have something similar, but 99.99% of most coaches don't drone on and on about it like oscar does, and we definitely didn't do it in practice. Basically think of it like the old "Hustle Board" that the Trailblazers had in their stadium back in the day.





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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2016, 09:23:10 PM »
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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2016, 12:26:32 AM »
Tonight is the first time I have heard of such a thing.  What is it,  what does it do? Does Kansas have one? Emaw

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2016, 01:43:18 AM »
Tonight is the first time I have heard of such a thing.  What is it,  what does it do? Does Kansas have one? Emaw

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2016, 08:58:55 AM »
I don't see what all the criticism is about the play hard chart.  People who manage collect and use data all the time. Sometimes changes are made, but other times it is a recognition piece and a competitive incentive. In my job I am constantly using information about facets of staff performance that contribute to or detract from the collective goals of my organization.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2016, 09:12:51 AM »
It's like the basketball coach that I had that used to stick purple card-stock hearts on our lockers for each charge that we'd get. Does oscar give them purple Powercat stickers instead?

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2016, 09:20:15 AM »
I don't see what all the criticism is about the play hard chart.  People who manage collect and use data all the time. Sometimes changes are made, but other times it is a recognition piece and a competitive incentive. In my job I am constantly using information about facets of staff performance that contribute to or detract from the collective goals of my organization.

I don't think its a bad thing. Coaches always emphasize playing hard in their own way, oscar just uses the play hard chart as his tool to do so. There is a correlation between winning those stats as a team and winning games. But oscar is hard to like and didn't win the last two years, so it doesn't matter if its a valid tool or now really to most fans. Its just another goofy thing to make fun of and I get that.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2016, 10:15:00 AM »
i might have missed it but i didn't really see anyone criticizing the play hard chart.  anyone who has been paying any attention knows that oscar uses the play hard chart and anyone who pays any attention to basketball in general knows that a lot of other coaches do too.

and in a game like basketball where working hard can overcome talent or size deficiencies, something like a play hard chart makes a lot of sense.


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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2016, 10:26:09 AM »
The PHC is no more or less stupid and meaningless than the 16 goals but LHC Bill Snyder wins and oscar Weber loses. Therefore one is celebrated and one is mocked.

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2016, 10:30:17 AM »
I don't see what all the criticism is about the play hard chart.  People who manage collect and use data all the time. Sometimes changes are made, but other times it is a recognition piece and a competitive incentive. In my job I am constantly using information about facets of staff performance that contribute to or detract from the collective goals of my organization.

I don't think its a bad thing. Coaches always emphasize playing hard in their own way, oscar just uses the play hard chart as his tool to do so. There is a correlation between winning those stats as a team and winning games. But oscar is hard to like and didn't win the last two years, so it doesn't matter if its a valid tool or now really to most fans. Its just another goofy thing to make fun of and I get that.

The issue isn't that he uses one, its that he's always talking about it, often in lieu of accountability.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2016, 10:37:29 AM »
The PHC is no more or less stupid and meaningless than the 16 goals but LHC Bill Snyder wins and oscar Weber loses. Therefore one is celebrated and one is mocked.

I think both are pretty regularly mocked

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2016, 10:41:01 AM »
The PHC is no more or less stupid and meaningless than the 16 goals but LHC Bill Snyder wins and oscar Weber loses. Therefore one is celebrated and one is mocked.

I think both are pretty regularly mocked

yes.
"oh man look at those stupid ass 16 goals, gotta love snyder tho"
"oh man look at that stupid ass play hard chart, eff oscar that is so dumb"

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2016, 10:59:42 AM »
I mean most gimmicks that coaches use like this are pretty stupid.  John Wooden's Pyramid For Success is about the dumbest piece of crap thing I've ever seen and people still love it and think it's genius.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2016, 11:05:06 AM »
At root of much of the mockery is a dumb name for something that was an internalized prerequisite by the previous coaching staff.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2016, 11:08:05 AM »
I don't see what all the criticism is about the play hard chart.  People who manage collect and use data all the time. Sometimes changes are made, but other times it is a recognition piece and a competitive incentive. In my job I am constantly using information about facets of staff performance that contribute to or detract from the collective goals of my organization.

I don't think its a bad thing. Coaches always emphasize playing hard in their own way, oscar just uses the play hard chart as his tool to do so. There is a correlation between winning those stats as a team and winning games. But oscar is hard to like and didn't win the last two years, so it doesn't matter if its a valid tool or now really to most fans. Its just another goofy thing to make fun of and I get that.

The issue isn't that he uses one, its that he's always talking about it, often in lieu of accountability.

Do you have an example of this? Do you mean accountability to himself or for the players? Just curious.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2016, 11:18:42 AM »
I definitely make fun of the fact that oscar once said in a post-game that someone almost had a triple double if you include the play hard stats (which in oscar's system includes steals). 

I agree with most of what has been said above.  It is annoying because oscar is annoying and we are losers, it would be great if it were Frank doing it and we were winners.

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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2016, 11:27:09 AM »
I definitely make fun of the fact that oscar once said in a post-game that someone almost had a triple double if you include the play hard stats (which in oscar's system includes steals). 

A phc memory I have is when I learned that you can just change the formula if the numbers aren't coming out the way you want.

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2016, 11:45:00 AM »
I mean most gimmicks that coaches use like this are pretty stupid.  John Wooden's Pyramid For Success is about the dumbest piece of crap thing I've ever seen and people still love it and think it's genius.

ever heard of isaac newton's laws of motion, stan? they're the biggest jokes ever and, like wooden, he's universally loved


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Re: The Play Hard Chart
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2016, 12:24:30 PM »
I don't see what all the criticism is about the play hard chart.  People who manage collect and use data all the time. Sometimes changes are made, but other times it is a recognition piece and a competitive incentive. In my job I am constantly using information about facets of staff performance that contribute to or detract from the collective goals of my organization.

I don't think its a bad thing. Coaches always emphasize playing hard in their own way, oscar just uses the play hard chart as his tool to do so. There is a correlation between winning those stats as a team and winning games. But oscar is hard to like and didn't win the last two years, so it doesn't matter if its a valid tool or now really to most fans. Its just another goofy thing to make fun of and I get that.

The issue isn't that he uses one, its that he's always talking about it, often in lieu of accountability.

Do you have an example of this? Do you mean accountability to himself or for the players? Just curious.

Both. He did it last night which is why I'm guessing it came up here. When Stan at halftime asked something to the effect of why are you struggling, his answer was "well we're losing the play hard chart." Of course this is ridiculous, you and others pointed out that PVAM held the ball and played zone and we shot poorly. He couldn't identify that, he mentioned the play hard chart, again. People mentioned the 16 goals but Snyder rarely references that, oscar mentions the play hard chart nearly every game. Can you imagine if a sideline reporter asks about a slow start and Snyder says something about intrinsic values and not following the 16 goals? It is ridiculous.