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kenpom 30, no tourney
« on: December 03, 2016, 09:06:42 PM »
that's the goal.  i'll get around to updating later in the year.


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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2016, 09:08:59 PM »
Tonight was a very kenpom friendly game, I'm guessing it will be good for moving up a few spots. SLU is rated badly, but we beat them really badly at their place. I love some great kenpom padding.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2016, 09:16:13 PM »
kenpom already updated kstate to 33rd with a 9-9 conference record.  which is really close to projecting 30, no tourney.  although 9-9 may be good enough to get in.  still, very exciting.
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2016, 09:18:44 PM »

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2016, 09:51:55 PM »
kenpom already updated kstate to 33rd with a 9-9 conference record.  which is really close to projecting 30, no tourney.  although 9-9 may be good enough to get in.  still, very exciting.

9-9 in conference with a 33 kenpom gets us in easily, if the Big 12 is the number one conference that isn't even on the bubble.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2016, 10:01:12 PM »
9-9 with our non con 100% is on the bubble

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2016, 10:12:46 PM »
9-9 in conference with a 33 kenpom gets us in easily, if the Big 12 is the number one conference that isn't even on the bubble.

i don't think the committee uses kenpom much (they shouldn't).  they've shown in the past that they do not like to reward teams that schedule poorly, so kstate likely won't get the benefit of the doubt, if it's close.
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2016, 10:50:53 PM »
south Carolina last year


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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2016, 11:57:18 PM »
9-9 with our non con 100% is on the bubble


i don't think the committee uses kenpom much (they shouldn't).  they've shown in the past that they do not like to reward teams that schedule poorly, so kstate likely won't get the benefit of the doubt, if it's close.

south Carolina last year

1. Scott, why did you drop two out of the three criteria I listed.
2. sys, they started using it last year along with other metrics.
3. 'clams, USC played in a trash conference and their kenpom and RPI were really high.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2016, 07:50:11 AM »
Over the past five years, 9-9 entailed finishing 5th through 7th place in the conference - 7th only once. 5th or 6th place in the best conference seems sufficient to get in.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2016, 07:52:08 AM »
that's the goal.  i'll get around to updating later in the year.

I think the committee actually uses efficiency metrics when selecting teams now. So having a 30 on KenPom and other measures like his would probably help them get in with a mediocre resume.  :crossfingers:

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2016, 12:58:20 PM »
i wouldn't have made it a thread if it was going to be easy.
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2016, 01:18:58 PM »
Over the past five years, 9-9 entailed finishing 5th through 7th place in the conference - 7th only once. 5th or 6th place in the best conference seems sufficient to get in.

It will be bubbly.  Remember 10-6.  We are a better conference now, but at the same time I still think the resume matters most.


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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2016, 03:19:52 PM »
2003-2004 FSU was ranked 27th in kenpom and didn't make the tournament. But it isn't going to be easy to match or beat. Basically have to lose a bunch of really close games on the road in conference play.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2016, 03:43:26 PM »
Over the past five years, 9-9 entailed finishing 5th through 7th place in the conference - 7th only once. 5th or 6th place in the best conference seems sufficient to get in.

It will be bubbly.  Remember 10-6.  We are a better conference now, but at the same time I still think the resume matters most.


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Significantly better, the Big 12 was the #4 conference that season and we have added three more at large spots since then.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2016, 06:51:14 PM »
i wouldn't have made it a thread if it was going to be easy.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2016, 09:36:24 PM »
This whole conversation is actually quite asinine. The conversation around a team who finishes 4th in the best conference with a 20-11 record, a kenpom in the 30s, and 5 top 50 wins is actually whether or not this team gets a single digit seed, not if they're getting in.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2016, 09:37:29 PM »
We're top 30 in kenpom!?!?  :Woohoo: :love:
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2016, 09:48:31 PM »
The conversation around a team who finishes 4th in the best conference with a 20-11 record, a kenpom in the 30s, and 5 top 50 wins is actually whether or not this team gets a single digit seed, not if they're getting in.

that's what would make it such an amazing achievement.
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2016, 09:49:59 PM »
We're top 30 in kenpom!?!?  :Woohoo: :love:

not yet, check in if we beat pva&m by 40 or so.
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2016, 10:29:09 PM »
I don't know anything about how this would work, but I'm extremely happy that sys has found his thing to track this season, and I hope the 'cats can pull it off.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2016, 12:53:44 PM »
We're top 30 in kenpom!?!?  :Woohoo: :love:

not yet, check in if we beat pva&m by 40 or so.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2016, 04:14:17 PM »
I don't know anything about how this would work, but I'm extremely happy that sys has found his thing to track this season, and I hope the 'cats can pull it off.

i concur. this is something we can all get behind. maybe the only thing.

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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2016, 06:08:48 PM »
We beat KU we are in to the tourney no doubt
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Re: kenpom 30, no tourney
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2016, 10:28:31 PM »
if kstate can't thirty, no tourney, perhaps tech can do it.  they've somehow managed to top us so far, getting to 31st against a 340th sos.
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