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Quote from: Whisker Biscuit on November 18, 2017, 06:13:57 PMWhat is wrong with our coaches? Honest question. Why were we running plays at the end of the game? 1:59 left. 4 downs, 40 seconds between each down = 120 seconds > 1:59. What. In. The. World? Victory formation, take a knee. I won't get into the pass play call. I just can't do it right now.JFC. I was going absolutely apeshit at my TV at that point. How rough ridin' hard is it to do the calculations ONE TIME to determine that, when the other team has NO TIMEOUTS LEFT and you have the ball 1st and 10 with (what I believe was actually even less than Whisker Biscuit's statement of) 1:59 left, you can kneel it out 3 times and run out the clock? I mean, put a few scenarios into a chart, print out said chart, and have one coach keep it in their pocket during the game? Why on earth would we run it straight into the pile on first and second downs and risk getting it stripped (which they nearly succeeded at)? Especially because on 3rd down, we realized, "Ok, I guess the math works out after all, let's kneel it here and go to the lockerroom with the W." Fire everyone. They are legitimate idiots sometimes.
What is wrong with our coaches? Honest question. Why were we running plays at the end of the game? 1:59 left. 4 downs, 40 seconds between each down = 120 seconds > 1:59. What. In. The. World? Victory formation, take a knee. I won't get into the pass play call. I just can't do it right now.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on November 18, 2017, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: BostonPancake on November 18, 2017, 06:26:39 PMCalling that pass play did not bother me. They were stopping the run. We were having success through the air. It’s just unfortunate how it ended up. This. I mean they could have done a quick pass or play action or RPO and not run but no they did a straight five step drop for deep routes when the running clock was our best weapon. So like, it's one thing to be OK with a pass in that situation and an entirely different one to be OK with THAT pass play.
Quote from: BostonPancake on November 18, 2017, 06:26:39 PMCalling that pass play did not bother me. They were stopping the run. We were having success through the air. It’s just unfortunate how it ended up. This.
Calling that pass play did not bother me. They were stopping the run. We were having success through the air. It’s just unfortunate how it ended up.
I'm pretty sure I still would have questioned that pass call even if it was successful
Quote from: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 11:32:17 PMI'm pretty sure I still would have questioned that pass call even if it was successfulIn my head, when we got the ball I was trying to decide if we should throw on one of those downs and I thought we should. My rationale is that if we go 3 and out and punt OSU is scoring anyway because we were definitely staying in that prevent. In retrospect I wondered if we should have thrown on first down but that would have lessened the effect of killing the clock if we completed a pass on first, second was the time to do that.
Quote from: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 07:59:16 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on November 18, 2017, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: BostonPancake on November 18, 2017, 06:26:39 PMCalling that pass play did not bother me. They were stopping the run. We were having success through the air. It’s just unfortunate how it ended up. This. I mean they could have done a quick pass or play action or RPO and not run but no they did a straight five step drop for deep routes when the running clock was our best weapon. So like, it's one thing to be OK with a pass in that situation and an entirely different one to be OK with THAT pass play.The deep passing game was working today. I don't have an issue with trying it again when they were selling out to stop the run.
Quote from: BostonPancake on November 18, 2017, 11:51:55 PMQuote from: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 07:59:16 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on November 18, 2017, 06:33:08 PMQuote from: BostonPancake on November 18, 2017, 06:26:39 PMCalling that pass play did not bother me. They were stopping the run. We were having success through the air. It’s just unfortunate how it ended up. This. I mean they could have done a quick pass or play action or RPO and not run but no they did a straight five step drop for deep routes when the running clock was our best weapon. So like, it's one thing to be OK with a pass in that situation and an entirely different one to be OK with THAT pass play.The deep passing game was working today. I don't have an issue with trying it again when they were selling out to stop the run.Yeah it's like you didn't read my post. Wouldn't a play action be great when they're selling out against the run?
Quote from: pvegs on November 18, 2017, 08:07:56 PMdid we have stupid play calls? will we forever with this staff? yeah. enjoy the win. it's football. drink your buffalo trace. eat some chicken wings, gentlemen. we won. we won. as 20 plus point dogs at o-state, where we hadn't won since 1999. i am old enough to recall that win. was awesome. so was today. Good call. And I am.BTW, I made the trip to Stillwater when we beat them in 95. And was at the 03 loss. And yes, that 99 win was fantastic. The 2nd time we overcame a 21 point deficit that season. Crazy. fellow Cat fans.
did we have stupid play calls? will we forever with this staff? yeah. enjoy the win. it's football. drink your buffalo trace. eat some chicken wings, gentlemen. we won. we won. as 20 plus point dogs at o-state, where we hadn't won since 1999. i am old enough to recall that win. was awesome. so was today.
Quote from: Chingon on November 18, 2017, 08:09:10 PMYou guys should listen to pvegs. He's wise.
You guys should listen to pvegs. He's wise.
Quote from: MakeItRain on November 18, 2017, 11:55:25 PMQuote from: michigancat on November 18, 2017, 11:32:17 PMI'm pretty sure I still would have questioned that pass call even if it was successfulIn my head, when we got the ball I was trying to decide if we should throw on one of those downs and I thought we should. My rationale is that if we go 3 and out and punt OSU is scoring anyway because we were definitely staying in that prevent. In retrospect I wondered if we should have thrown on first down but that would have lessened the effect of killing the clock if we completed a pass on first, second was the time to do that.As I said, I don't have an issue with passing, I had an issue with THAT pass play. Was anyone open or anything?
This was the most frustrating play for me down the stretch. It was an absolutely great play call vs the defense, but I have no idea why Zuber comes off of his block and then he and Dimel end up blocking the same guy down field. There is no one else on that side of the field for OSU and Thompson likely ends up with at least a 20+ yard run. This should have been a huge play.https://youtu.be/3RvbrLugurk?t=7711
Quote from: ksu_FAN on November 19, 2017, 09:27:35 AMThis was the most frustrating play for me down the stretch. It was an absolutely great play call vs the defense, but I have no idea why Zuber comes off of his block and then he and Dimel end up blocking the same guy down field. There is no one else on that side of the field for OSU and Thompson likely ends up with at least a 20+ yard run. This should have been a huge play.https://youtu.be/3RvbrLugurk?t=7711I rewatched this play several times when it happened. Zuber clearly thinks Dimel is going to block the guy so he moves upfield to the next guy. Such a small miscommunication that was a huge play.On the pass play late, without a turnover or recovered onside kick, it was virtually impossible for OSU to win the game. Run, punt, play defense, repeat. There was no need to pass even if it was successful.
Good breakdown fan but one issue, Thompson absolutely shouldn't have thrown the ball away, just not fumble it, fall down, take a knee, anything to keep the clock running.
hayes called a pretty good game until the second half, they took every bit of what we gave them on the out routes. our dbs moving up a yard or two would have led to at least 1 pick if not more yet here we are same crap different week
Quote from: kslim on November 19, 2017, 01:35:01 PMhayes called a pretty good game until the second half, they took every bit of what we gave them on the out routes. our dbs moving up a yard or two would have led to at least 1 pick if not more yet here we are same crap different weekThe only job we had on defense in the second half was to not get beat deep. Best way to do that, drop the DBs and send the linebackers to force the ball out of Rudolph's hand quickly, then tackle.
Quote from: Whisker Biscuit on October 30, 2017, 01:47:15 PMOne last point on the end of half, non-timeout call. There is no way KU was going for it on 4th and 14...and for all those saying they would have had we called timeout i ask this: why didn't KU call timeout immediately? If they would have gone for it had we called timeout, whey wouldn't they have called timeout themselves and gone for it if that's what was their plan?Bottom line, it was a horrible decision to not call timeout and allow KU a free shot. Nobody with a brain actually think ku was going to go for it on 4th and 14 from midfield. Not even Beatty is that stupid.
One last point on the end of half, non-timeout call. There is no way KU was going for it on 4th and 14...and for all those saying they would have had we called timeout i ask this: why didn't KU call timeout immediately? If they would have gone for it had we called timeout, whey wouldn't they have called timeout themselves and gone for it if that's what was their plan?Bottom line, it was a horrible decision to not call timeout and allow KU a free shot.