Non-Presidential stuff on the ballot

[sys]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" or "medicinal" are people who've never tried it and/or are mindless indoctrinated idiots.

[sys]

People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.

are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?

[kim carnes]

I am shocked by fsd's stance on this issue

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.

are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?

No. I'm saying it has the same medical property as huffing glue.

I'm cool with people who say mj should be legal because I want to get stoned. I wanna punch any douche bag who says it should be legal bc it's safe or bc it's medicine .

[sys]

People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.

are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?

No.

then i'm curious as to how the knowledge that marijuana is addictive is magically conferred upon those who've tried it and didn't become addicted.

[star seed 7]

I want it legal because I want to get stoned, fsd

[sys]

marijuana for medical use is already legal in california.  the current ballot measure is explicitly for recreational use.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I want it legal because I want to get stoned, fsd

In all honesty, it's probably best that it's illegal and widely available. Don't want a bunch of squares intruding

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

People that think marijuana is "safe" or "non-addictive" are people who've never tried it.

are you suggesting that people that have tried it are all addicts?

No.

then i'm curious as to how the knowledge that marijuana is addictive is magically conferred upon those who've tried it and didn't become addicted.

Here's a simple rule of thumb, if it makes you feel awesome, it's probably addictive

[MakeItRain]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

Wait, I didn't say that. Pro pot are very adept at turning one talking point into that, I want no part of that argument. The argument I'm making is that weed is a safer entry into the world of mind altering drugs than heroin, pcp, toot, crack, etc. Once marijuana becomes normalized to the user, to some it then becomes easier to make that leap. Contrary to popular belief marijuana isn't as readily available as alcohol and we don't need to make it that way. I'm good with decriminalizing a small amount of weed but we don't need to legalize it because smokers think it's harmless.

[sys]

It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.

Wait, I didn't say that. Pro pot are very adept at turning one talking point into that, I want no part of that argument. The argument I'm making is that weed is a safer entry into the world of mind altering drugs than heroin, pcp, toot, crack, etc. Once marijuana becomes normalized to the user, to some it then becomes easier to make that leap. Contrary to popular belief marijuana isn't as readily available as alcohol and we don't need to make it that way. I'm good with decriminalizing a small amount of weed but we don't need to legalize it because smokers think it's harmless.

i guess i have no idea what you're saying then.  it certainly sounds to me like you're saying exactly what i said, both initially and then again right below where you say you're not saying it.

the argument that marijuana is less available than alcohol and for unknown reasons shouldn't be made more available is not particularly convincing on it's own. 

[MakeItRain]

It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.

Wait, I didn't say that. Pro pot are very adept at turning one talking point into that, I want no part of that argument. The argument I'm making is that weed is a safer entry into the world of mind altering drugs than heroin, pcp, toot, crack, etc. Once marijuana becomes normalized to the user, to some it then becomes easier to make that leap. Contrary to popular belief marijuana isn't as readily available as alcohol and we don't need to make it that way. I'm good with decriminalizing a small amount of weed but we don't need to legalize it because smokers think it's harmless.

i guess i have no idea what you're saying then.  it certainly sounds to me like you're saying exactly what i said, both initially and then again right below where you say you're not saying it.

the argument that marijuana is less available than alcohol and for unknown reasons shouldn't be made more available is not particularly convincing on it's own.

Well I guess I am saying that, I just don't like your simplification, it makes easier to manipulate the argument. The availability argument wasn't made to convince you to change your mind, your particular views on this issue renders that point insignificant.

[CNS]

Seems like that has been disproven. 

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

How can you disprove the effect of gateway drugs.

Unfortunate

it'll make the people happy, which they should be.

It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?

prescription painkillers are far far worse in this regard

Correct. I'm am opposed to loosening regulations on prescription painkillers as well.

I read something a while back that noted a recent study showing no increase in things like heroine and whatnot by ppl who use pot regularly. They basically said that it is no more a gateway drug than cigarettes or booze are.

Same article also noted that prescriptions of opioids are dropping by like 1k/doc/yr in CO because they can prescribe pot. 


Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

Please link this so I can mock it. Any marijuana study or article that extols the virtue of marijuana, not hemp oil, for medicinal purposes but also doesn't acknowledge that marijuana can and has been a first entry drug for someone addicted to something else is obviously agenda driven.

I understand that marijuana does not have the same addictive properties of other legal and illegal drugs but to completely dismiss it is idiotic and something not rooted in any science at all, its pothead logic. Also I'm unaware of any scientific study that shows positive effect of medical marijuana, I'm aware of the anecdotal evidence of it as a pain reliever but that's no surprise because it's a mind altering substance.

I'll see if I can track it down

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Unfortunate

it'll make the people happy, which they should be.

It will also inevitably make more heroin addicts, but who cares, right?

LOL. Wtf. Dumbest thing I've ever read on here.

[CNS]

So, I am not finding the specific article, but google is full of articles about how marijuana is reducing opioid use and some where they are even using marijuana as treatment for opiod abuse.  As you know, heroin is obvsly an opioid.  It would seem that a logical next step would be that marijuana legalization may even reduce the amount of heroin addicts as much of the rise in heroin use, recently, has been ppl chasing a pain killer addiction and substituting heroin for oxy as it is less expensive.

[ChiComCat]

Colorado has had to have special sessions to determine a use of excess tax dollars from marijuana.  Granted, Kansas or any other state outside of California likely won't see as large of a benefit.  Between taxing the hell out of it, saving money policing/incarcerating people, and it being demonstrably less dangerous than alcohol, I really can't think of a good argument in keeping it illegal.

There can't possibly be any evidence that says legalizing weed increases heroin addicts.  Alcohol is a legal mind altering substance and doesn't lead people to doing heroin.  I don't see why marijuana is any different.

[Emo EMAW]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care. 

[CNS]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement?  It's a lot.  All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.

[Emo EMAW]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement?  It's a lot.  All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.

I was talking more about heroine users doing illegal crap to score smack, and OD'ing and tying up ER's and stuff like that.

I'm okay with smoking pot.  Don't think smokers (of pot or tobacco) should be eligible for subsidized health care, tho.  ss

[CNS]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement?  It's a lot.  All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.

I was talking more about heroine users doing illegal crap to score smack, and OD'ing and tying up ER's and stuff like that.

I'm okay with smoking pot.  Don't think smokers (of pot or tobacco) should be eligible for subsidized health care, tho.  ss

I assume ss is slippery slope?

[cfbandyman]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Both of which would go down if it's legal, and you could use the funds off the taxes to fund whatever extra enforcement would be needed. We spend way too much money trying to fight marijuana, and end up sending thousands of nonviolent criminals to jail for not really anything.
That would be way more expensive than actively using law enforcement to stop marijuana, and send those people to jail.

[Emo EMAW]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Have you heard any info regarding the amt of law enforcement, judicial, and incarceration time and money spent on pot enforcement?  It's a lot.  All to keep ppl from doing something equivalent to having a beer or two after work.

I was talking more about heroine users doing illegal crap to score smack, and OD'ing and tying up ER's and stuff like that.

I'm okay with smoking pot.  Don't think smokers (of pot or tobacco) should be eligible for subsidized health care, tho.  ss

I assume ss is slippery slope?

ss = me trying to push Alt+s twice and failing and not noticing 

[CNS]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Both of which would go down if it's legal, and you could use the funds off the taxes to fund whatever extra enforcement would be needed. We spend way too much money trying to fight marijuana, and end up sending thousands of nonviolent criminals to jail for not really anything.
That would be way more expensive than actively using law enforcement to stop marijuana, and send those people to jail.

It then severely harms the ability of those nonviolent criminals to participate in anything other than poverty due to a criminal record.  It harms them, their family, and other tax payers. 

[Emo EMAW]

i have no idea if marijuana use causes increased rates of heroin use.  seems pretty suspect as a thesis, but i'm not interested enough to look for evidence one way or another (good evidence probably doesn't exist either way).  i don't particularly care if it does or it doesn't.  people should have the right to choose how they live, and if they wish to amuse themselves in a way that increases their risk of opiate addiction, they should be able to do so.

I agree people should have the right to choose how they live, but that right stops when it comes at an increased burden on tax payer funded social resources like law enforcement and health care.

Both of which would go down if it's legal, and you could use the funds off the taxes to fund whatever extra enforcement would be needed. We spend way too much money trying to fight marijuana, and end up sending thousands of nonviolent criminals to jail for not really anything.
That would be way more expensive than actively using law enforcement to stop marijuana, and send those people to jail.

ok