Author Topic: VP Debate (Read 5825 times)

treysolid · « **Reply #50 on:** October 04, 2016, 10:49:39 PM »

that would require trump to release his tax returns...

treysolid · « **Reply #51 on:** October 04, 2016, 10:50:06 PM »

...which, oh wait...

puniraptor · « **Reply #52 on:** October 04, 2016, 11:14:08 PM »

I tried to watch this but it was quite difficult to sustain my desire

john "teach me how to" dougie · « **Reply #53 on:** October 04, 2016, 11:28:32 PM »

Quote from: puniraptor on October 04, 2016, 11:14:08 PM

I tried to watch this but it was quite difficult to sustain my desire

Whatever you did was time better spent

8manpick · « **Reply #54 on:** October 04, 2016, 11:31:28 PM »

Did you guys watch the minor league baseball playoffs too?

chum1 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 05, 2016, 12:17:40 AM »

Initial reactions and subsequent coverage sometimes diverge. Cable news people thought Pence won. Many online newspaper headlines so far indicate stories about Pence's denials of provable facts and deflections.

Of course, Trump could easily make Kaine the winner if he winds up having a good old meltdown over 8something stupid.

stunted · « **Reply #56 on:** October 05, 2016, 01:53:48 AM »

debate moderator is 42? and filipina, the mexico of asia? ugh, i want that fap back

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #57 on:** October 05, 2016, 07:14:14 AM »

It has been a treat to watch stunted's development into a known bad person/top 5 terrible poster on this blog.

catastrophe · « **Reply #58 on:** October 05, 2016, 07:28:12 AM »

I honestly feel like Hillary's camp said, "we can't keep putting up with Trump's crap, but Hillary will get treated unfairly if she acts aggressive because she's a woman, so Tim has to do it."

Hillary should have just done it.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #59 on:** October 05, 2016, 07:41:31 AM »

Sys-

I agree with your broad notions about tax policy favoring the rich and powerful, I disagree this is a very good example of that. There are plenty of smallish commercial chicken farms, fisherman or mining/logging operations that would be put out of business by this. It is to smooth out market variance to allow firms with limited capital to survive downturns and be able to rebound. Is that how Donald Trump used it? Probably, he lost his ass in NJ. That doesn't make him good or bad, but he didn't plenty other stuff that is so obviously bad prima facie that it makes zero sense to attack him on something that isn't bad tax policy and actually protects smaller firms from being driven out by a bad year or two.

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Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #60 on:** October 05, 2016, 08:22:41 AM »

Sometimes, it's better if a business just fails. We certainly would all be better off right now had Trump lost his ass and never come back.

sys · « **Reply #61 on:** October 05, 2016, 08:31:07 AM »

kat kid, these are not real losses! they are fictional, or at least some sizable proportion of them is almost certainly fictional. trump is a real estate dude, he owns a lot of real estate and the tax code just happens to hugely advantage real estate. property owners can write down the value of their property as a depreciating asset even though it is actually appreciating in value and generating a growing revenue stream. they can shelter their income, often up to the sale of the property, which may never come.

i have no problem with the offsetting of income with losses, or with extending those losses into future years, but only genuine cash losses, not paper losses. there are a lot of fixes for this, but trump is not proposing any of them.

sys · « **Reply #62 on:** October 05, 2016, 08:32:06 AM »

leona "only the little people pay taxes" helmsley. real estate dudette.

john "teach me how to" dougie · « **Reply #63 on:** October 05, 2016, 08:49:41 AM »

....so it does make him smart not to pay taxes on his real estate depreciation after a recession. Obama should have worked on changing the tax codes rather than ruining health care during his first two years.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #64 on:** October 05, 2016, 08:51:55 AM »

Trump isn't proposing "fixes" because he genuinely believes that paying more taxes means he can't invest as much back into his business and therefore can't create as many jobs.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #65 on:** October 05, 2016, 09:19:26 AM »

Yes, the Clinton's are just pissed they didn't hide more money in that shell game known as their foundation(s).

Kat Kid · « **Reply #66 on:** October 05, 2016, 09:25:26 AM »

Quote from: sys on October 05, 2016, 08:31:07 AM

kat kid, these are not real losses! they are fictional, or at least some sizable proportion of them is almost certainly fictional. trump is a real estate dude, he owns a lot of real estate and the tax code just happens to hugely advantage real estate. property owners can write down the value of their property as a depreciating asset even though it is actually appreciating in value and generating a growing revenue stream. they can shelter their income, often up to the sale of the property, which may never come.

i have no problem with the offsetting of income with losses, or with extending those losses into future years, but only genuine cash losses, not paper losses. there are a lot of fixes for this, but trump is not proposing any of them.

We don't know exactly what the losses were at all. The casinos caused multiple Trump assets to go in to bankruptcy, so it is safe to assume he lost lots of revenue generating income. It is absolutely fair to attack his shady business practices or refusing to release his taxes, but the tax law is bigger than Trump maybe taking advantage of this thing that is actually pretty good.

catastrophe · « **Reply #67 on:** October 05, 2016, 09:25:30 AM »

It's obvious Hillary is trying to make this tax issue a Trump version of the email scandal. I just don't think it's going to change anyone's mind because everyone seems to agree that what Trump did was legal.

gatoveintisiet · « **Reply #68 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:22:49 AM »

Property taxes fund the education system, DJT pays more property tax than 99.99% of humans on earth, DJT is one of the worlds staunchest supporters of children and their schools. Hillary doesn't provide anywhere near the support for children that DJT does, whattabitch!

renocat · « **Reply #69 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:34:26 AM »

I think this should be a separate thread, but.... Is taxation a legal or moral obligation? How is this question perceived by progressive liberals and conservative libertarians? The contrast was evident. Paine came across as believing it is a moral obligation.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #70 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:45:42 AM »

It is your moral obligation to pay exactly the amount of taxes that you legally owe.

Trim · « **Reply #71 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:47:23 AM »

Quote from: renocat on October 05, 2016, 10:34:26 AM

I think this should be a separate thread, but.... Is taxation a legal or moral obligation? How is this question perceived by progressive liberals and conservative libertarians? The contrast was evident. Paine came across as believing it is a moral obligation.

Paine didn't come close to making me believe that he believed it's a moral obligation.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 05, 2016, 11:29:52 AM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on October 05, 2016, 10:45:42 AM

It is your moral obligation to pay exactly the amount of taxes that you legally owe.

*minimum. Unless you think it's immoral to pay more?

catastrophe · « **Reply #73 on:** October 05, 2016, 11:53:10 AM »

Even if it is a moral obligation to pay certain taxes you could legally write off, it's a pointless argument because no swing voters were leaning Trump because of his morals.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #74 on:** October 05, 2016, 11:54:04 AM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on October 05, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

Quote from: Emo EMAW on October 05, 2016, 10:45:42 AM
It is your moral obligation to pay exactly the amount of taxes that you legally owe.

*minimum. Unless you think it's immoral to pay more?

I do.