Scribe's FAU Review

[Clevey 2 Times]

Delton could be a nice change of pace in wildcat situations, especially if he can actually throw

Yes. I hope we put together a package for him. Instead of Jones or someone else, bring out Delton.

They're having hard enough of a time finding touches for the five running backs they're using now, I doubt they add another to the mix. Our best tail back of the season so far was getting touches with the third team on Saturday.

Considering the five RBs aren't all that deep -- shades of mediocrity on the entire list -- why not use a Delton package? Assuming he becomes less hesitant with more reps.

Other than Charles Jones, who I like, how in the hell have you determined that the other running backs are mediocre? Is it the sophomore who had four touchdowns in a half, or other sophomore averaging 10 ypc, or the freshman averaging 9 yards a carry?

We have good backs, don't be such a miserable baby. You guys are always laughing at tucks for unquestioning optimism but this race to dismiss anything positive is even more stupid.

Ugh, let me see...b/c they are mostly used in ways that mediocre backs get utilized, that is situation specific...b/c none of them are as good as any of what I'd consider quality backs in Snyder era KSU history (Hickson, JJ Smith, Mike Lawrence, Sproles, D. Thomas, Josh Scobey, hell maybe even Eric Gallon and John Hubert)...b/c the coaching staff feels it necessary to play so many of them.

That being said, I think Warmack has the most upside and if he takes over the reps it'll mean good things are happening. If it is more Charles Jones, that's not a good sign.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

What's Charles Jones career YPC, like 5.0?  I don't know how we can sustain an offense with such mediocrity.

[MakeItRain]

Delton could be a nice change of pace in wildcat situations, especially if he can actually throw

Yes. I hope we put together a package for him. Instead of Jones or someone else, bring out Delton.

They're having hard enough of a time finding touches for the five running backs they're using now, I doubt they add another to the mix. Our best tail back of the season so far was getting touches with the third team on Saturday.

Considering the five RBs aren't all that deep -- shades of mediocrity on the entire list -- why not use a Delton package? Assuming he becomes less hesitant with more reps.

Other than Charles Jones, who I like, how in the hell have you determined that the other running backs are mediocre? Is it the sophomore who had four touchdowns in a half, or other sophomore averaging 10 ypc, or the freshman averaging 9 yards a carry?

We have good backs, don't be such a miserable baby. You guys are always laughing at tucks for unquestioning optimism but this race to dismiss anything positive is even more stupid.

Ugh, let me see...b/c they are mostly used in ways that mediocre backs get utilized, that is situation specific...b/c none of them are as good as any of what I'd consider quality backs in Snyder era KSU history (Hickson, JJ Smith, Mike Lawrence, Sproles, D. Thomas, Josh Scobey, hell maybe even Eric Gallon and John Hubert)...b/c the coaching staff feels it necessary to play so many of them.

That being said, I think Warmack has the most upside and if he takes over the reps it'll mean good things are happening. If it is more Charles Jones, that's not a good sign.

Charles Jones is Eric Hickson, it is amazing how similar they are. Charles Jones may as well be Hickson's son.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Delton could be a nice change of pace in wildcat situations, especially if he can actually throw

Yes. I hope we put together a package for him. Instead of Jones or someone else, bring out Delton.

They're having hard enough of a time finding touches for the five running backs they're using now, I doubt they add another to the mix. Our best tail back of the season so far was getting touches with the third team on Saturday.

Considering the five RBs aren't all that deep -- shades of mediocrity on the entire list -- why not use a Delton package? Assuming he becomes less hesitant with more reps.

Other than Charles Jones, who I like, how in the hell have you determined that the other running backs are mediocre? Is it the sophomore who had four touchdowns in a half, or other sophomore averaging 10 ypc, or the freshman averaging 9 yards a carry?

We have good backs, don't be such a miserable baby. You guys are always laughing at tucks for unquestioning optimism but this race to dismiss anything positive is even more stupid.

Ugh, let me see...b/c they are mostly used in ways that mediocre backs get utilized, that is situation specific...b/c none of them are as good as any of what I'd consider quality backs in Snyder era KSU history (Hickson, JJ Smith, Mike Lawrence, Sproles, D. Thomas, Josh Scobey, hell maybe even Eric Gallon and John Hubert)...b/c the coaching staff feels it necessary to play so many of them.

That being said, I think Warmack has the most upside and if he takes over the reps it'll mean good things are happening. If it is more Charles Jones, that's not a good sign.

Charles Jones is Eric Hickson, it is amazing how similar they are. Charles Jones may as well be Hickson's son.

Good comparison.  Would be enjoyable to see what Jones would do with 5 yard wide running lanes Hickson enjoyed behind much more dominant OL's

[delerioustyme]

First of all, if you think Silmon is our best RB, you are clueless.  He has no vision, cannot block, has no lateral movement and is slow.  He runs into defenders instead of thru the hole.  He didn't get many carries against FAU not because the coaches know what they have with him, but because he is not very good at all.  Watch the Stanford game where he literally goes out of his way to run into a defender being blocked. 

Jones tries to be elusive, but it's comical to see him make a move when the defender is still 10 yards down field.  He's not fooling anyone. 

Lastly, Delton knows the playbook, he is an extremely smart kid.  Will be  all academic in the conference if not all American.  He had to learn a completely new playbook in High School his senior year and had no trouble with it.  The coaches even said he ran the offense just fine, as it was those around him that didn't by getting penalties and not blocking. 


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[GregKSU1027]

Bill just said in an interview that he likes the way Silmon blocks... 

[michigancat]

If a black quarterback is playing behind a white quarterback it is ALWAYS because the black quarterback could not learn the playbook.

[Tobias]

bl@ck quarterback

[GregKSU1027]

If a black quarterback is playing behind a white quarterback it is ALWAYS because the black quarterback could not learn the playbook.

The dude doesn't need a play book, he will make his own plays. #InDeltonWeTrust 

[troubledscribe]

First of all, if you think Silmon is our best RB, you are clueless.  He has no vision, cannot block, has no lateral movement and is slow.  He runs into defenders instead of thru the hole.  He didn't get many carries against FAU not because the coaches know what they have with him, but because he is not very good at all.  Watch the Stanford game where he literally goes out of his way to run into a defender being blocked. 

Jones tries to be elusive, but it's comical to see him make a move when the defender is still 10 yards down field.  He's not fooling anyone. 

Lastly, Delton knows the playbook, he is an extremely smart kid.  Will be  all academic in the conference if not all American.  He had to learn a completely new playbook in High School his senior year and had no trouble with it.  The coaches even said he ran the offense just fine, as it was those around him that didn't by getting penalties and not blocking. 


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Is this Alex Barnes ?

[WillieWatanabe]

If a black quarterback is playing behind a white quarterback it is ALWAYS because the black quarterback could not learn the playbook.

I assumed Belvis Noland wasn't serious.

[michigancat]

If a black quarterback is playing behind a white quarterback it is ALWAYS because the black quarterback could not learn the playbook.

I assumed Belvis Noland wasn't serious.

I assumed the same

[Steffy08]

Delton could be a nice change of pace in wildcat situations, especially if he can actually throw

Yes. I hope we put together a package for him. Instead of Jones or someone else, bring out Delton.

They're having hard enough of a time finding touches for the five running backs they're using now, I doubt they add another to the mix. Our best tail back of the season so far was getting touches with the third team on Saturday.

Considering the five RBs aren't all that deep -- shades of mediocrity on the entire list -- why not use a Delton package? Assuming he becomes less hesitant with more reps.

Other than Charles Jones, who I like, how in the hell have you determined that the other running backs are mediocre? Is it the sophomore who had four touchdowns in a half, or other sophomore averaging 10 ypc, or the freshman averaging 9 yards a carry?

We have good backs, don't be such a miserable baby. You guys are always laughing at tucks for unquestioning optimism but this race to dismiss anything positive is even more stupid.

Ugh, let me see...b/c they are mostly used in ways that mediocre backs get utilized, that is situation specific...b/c none of them are as good as any of what I'd consider quality backs in Snyder era KSU history (Hickson, JJ Smith, Mike Lawrence, Sproles, D. Thomas, Josh Scobey, hell maybe even Eric Gallon and John Hubert)...b/c the coaching staff feels it necessary to play so many of them.

That being said, I think Warmack has the most upside and if he takes over the reps it'll mean good things are happening. If it is more Charles Jones, that's not a good sign.

Charles Jones is Eric Hickson, it is amazing how similar they are. Charles Jones may as well be Hickson's son.

Hickson way better; not even close

[MakeItRain]

In what way steffy? Was Hickson faster, better blocker, fumble less? Tell us how much better Eric Hickson was than Charles Jones.

[Skipper44]

Hickson seemed a step faster to me than Jones and could beat defenders to the corner more often than Jones does. 

I feel Jones failing my eye test of "that should have been a much bigger play than 6 yards" but still putting up similar stats is due to Hickson was running in a conference recruited to stop the running games of Nebraska, Colorado and Oklahoma instead of the spread.

[MakeItRain]

Hickson seemed a step faster to me than Jones and could beat defenders to the corner more often than Jones does. 

I feel Jones failing my eye test of "that should have been a much bigger play than 6 yards" but still putting up similar stats is due to Hickson was running in a conference recruited to stop the running games of Nebraska, Colorado and Oklahoma instead of the spread.

Hickson had the luxury of a better line, better QB play, and better receivers but Charles Jones has managed to accumulate nearly identical stats. If you're being impartial there's only one way to interpret that data.

[kso_FAN]

Pretty similar. Hickson averaged half a yard more per carry, but the factors you mentioned probably contribute to that. I do think the year he came back from injury (97) he wasn't quite 100% and his numbers would attest to that. Still, to transition from very little QB running game in 94, to a decent amount with Miller in 95, to one of the first spread QB run game offenses in 97 and 98 is pretty significant and his numbers stayed pretty consistent throughout.

[Skipper44]

nope, Hickson was faster and made many more big plays than Jones.  I would love for him to shove this in my fat face but the fact is the longest carry of Jones career to date is 28 yards.  Jones facing defenses recruited to play the spread that are keying on the QB in the zone read are why he has managed to average 5 ypc by getting between 3 and 7 yards at a time.

[steve dave]

iirc hickson sucked terrible ass and mike lawrence (who also sucked) was a monumental upgrade

source: my feelings as a kid on their goodness

[MixBerryCrunch]

First of all, if you think Silmon is our best RB, you are clueless.  He has no vision, cannot block, has no lateral movement and is slow.  He runs into defenders instead of thru the hole.  He didn't get many carries against FAU not because the coaches know what they have with him, but because he is not very good at all.  Watch the Stanford game where he literally goes out of his way to run into a defender being blocked. 

Jones tries to be elusive, but it's comical to see him make a move when the defender is still 10 yards down field.  He's not fooling anyone. 

Lastly, Delton knows the playbook, he is an extremely smart kid.  Will be  all academic in the conference if not all American.  He had to learn a completely new playbook in High School his senior year and had no trouble with it.  The coaches even said he ran the offense just fine, as it was those around him that didn't by getting penalties and not blocking. 


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You're right, on that Hubener pitch Silmon literally ran right at the defender and lowered his shoulder instead of running through the wide open hole. He could have easily had another five or more yards.  I've never seen anything like that before and it convinced me that he shouldn't see the field other than in mop up duty.

[Gooch]

First of all, if you think Silmon is our best RB, you are clueless.  He has no vision, cannot block, has no lateral movement and is slow.  He runs into defenders instead of thru the hole.  He didn't get many carries against FAU not because the coaches know what they have with him, but because he is not very good at all.  Watch the Stanford game where he literally goes out of his way to run into a defender being blocked. 

Jones tries to be elusive, but it's comical to see him make a move when the defender is still 10 yards down field.  He's not fooling anyone. 

Lastly, Delton knows the playbook, he is an extremely smart kid.  Will be  all academic in the conference if not all American.  He had to learn a completely new playbook in High School his senior year and had no trouble with it.  The coaches even said he ran the offense just fine, as it was those around him that didn't by getting penalties and not blocking. 


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You're right, on that Hubener pitch Silmon literally ran right at the defender and lowered his shoulder instead of running through the wide open hole. He could have easily had another five or more yards.  I've never seen anything like that before and it convinced me that he shouldn't see the field other than in mop up duty.

maybe that guy was talking crap and Silmon wanted to lay the wood.

[delerioustyme]

First of all, if you think Silmon is our best RB, you are clueless.  He has no vision, cannot block, has no lateral movement and is slow.  He runs into defenders instead of thru the hole.  He didn't get many carries against FAU not because the coaches know what they have with him, but because he is not very good at all.  Watch the Stanford game where he literally goes out of his way to run into a defender being blocked. 

Jones tries to be elusive, but it's comical to see him make a move when the defender is still 10 yards down field.  He's not fooling anyone. 

Lastly, Delton knows the playbook, he is an extremely smart kid.  Will be  all academic in the conference if not all American.  He had to learn a completely new playbook in High School his senior year and had no trouble with it.  The coaches even said he ran the offense just fine, as it was those around him that didn't by getting penalties and not blocking. 


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You're right, on that Hubener pitch Silmon literally ran right at the defender and lowered his shoulder instead of running through the wide open hole. He could have easily had another five or more yards.  I've never seen anything like that before and it convinced me that he shouldn't see the field other than in mop up duty.

maybe that guy was talking crap and Silmon wanted to lay the wood.

If that is or was the case, then Silmon needs to learn how to lay the wood, because he did not lay the wood on him as he got stood up and taken down.  Delton laid more wood on his runs against FAU than Silmon has this year. 


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