Let's talk turkey? (© Trim title enterprises™)

[ednksu]

Somehow this is Hillarys fault.

I was just coming here to post this, you SOB!!!

Google hillary and turkey.  You either get bill or stories about MG and Huma making shady deals with Turkey leaders.  Then hold on when queery the.clinton foundation.

Turkey today requested a preacher named Gulen be extradited to the United States because he is The Mastermind behind the coup attempt. This is the same guy that has given millions of dollars to the clintons and their Foundation. Sounds like rotten eggs in the souffle.

LOL

[ednksu]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-coup-in-a-country-once-dominated-by-generals-the-army-see/

In lockstep Obama calls for all to support Erdy,  hopefully Erdy's party holds true to their constant claims that they will preserve the majority of a secular constitution.   Otherwise it's likely going to be bad in the long run IMO because Erdy and his party have more then enough evidence against them that they are soft on ISIS and obviously very hard on the anti-ISIS Kurds.    If Erdy consolidates power and creates ISIS sanctuaries, bad, really bad.

How do you have such consistently bad analysis?  Lock step with Erdo?  Implying that he is mad at the Kurds because they are anti-ISIS....wtf

[sonofdaxjones]

I wonder sometimes if you even pay attention at all.  Until recently ISIS pretty much had a wide open supply route in and out of Turkey with little or no action by the Turkish government to shut it down.  Also why have their been peace talks between the Turkish government and the Kurdish factions?   Seriously either educate yourself or don't comment.   Oh, and it's the Kurds who doing work tightening that supply route. 

[ednksu]

I wonder sometimes if you even pay attention at all.  Until recently ISIS pretty much had a wide open supply route in and out of Turkey with little or no action by the Turkish government to shut it down.  Also why have their been peace talks between the Turkish government and the Kurdish factions?   Seriously either educate yourself or don't comment.   Oh, and it's the Kurds who doing work tightening that supply route.

Way to say obvious things to anyone who looks at the pictures in Time magazine.  But you went a bit askew by implying Turkey's beef with the Kurds was related to them being anti-Isis....which is just laughably short sighted.

[sonofdaxjones]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/29/turkey-pays-price-erdogan-blindness-to-isis-threat

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33690060 

Turkey has been alarmed by dramatic gains made by the Kurdish YPG militia in Syria

http://www.newsweek.com/impossible-beat-isis-erdogan-power-442767

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/trouble-turkey-erdogan-isis-and-kurds



LOL, you are utterly clueless, Erdy's lax efforts against ISIS are documented the world over and in countless media outlets.   WTF, Time Magazine??  Where did that come from??

[sonofdaxjones]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

A major Washington DC think tank has become the first establishment institution to publicly admit that Turkey is the main source of supplies to the ISIS stronghold of Aleppo in Syria.

http://newobserveronline.com/turkey-isis-link-admitted-as-supply-route-cut/

[sonofdaxjones]

But we don’t stand with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whose obsession with destroying the Kurds politically enabled ISIS to kill Turks over the past few months, as well as last night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-a-tures/how-erdogan-enabled-isis_b_10727212.html

https://www.quora.com/Is-Turkey-supporting-ISIS-If-so-why

[ednksu]

Dax you are completely off the rails and are now responding to ghosts in your own head. 

[ednksu]

Oh and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned (for over a year) that security forces in Turkey were running guns in Syria while you've been spouting conspiracy theories about the US doing it.

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax you are completely off the rails and are now responding to ghosts in your own head.

Typical edn tapout, come in with total nonsense, get called on it, then tell the person destroying edn idiocy that they're off-the-rails.   Just admit you're totally out of your element as usual and don't really have a clue.

So when U.S. weapons are mysteriously being stolen while being sent to support "friendly" terrorists in Syria, it's not really the U.S. doing it?   The countless articles documenting U.S. shipping former Baltic state weapons via Jordon and Turkey into Syria are lies??    Who is Turkey "running guns" to in Syria edn?? 

[ednksu]

LOL at your "articles" first off.   Second, you've totally mashfucked my post into a confused repackaged strawman. 

Recap, you are wrong that Turkey is mad at the Kurds because they are fighting ISIS.  To even suggest that shows you lack any understanding of the last 30 years of Northern Iraq, Syrian, Turkish history.  No one is arguing that Turkey isn't running guns to ISIS.  You invented that thinking you had a Palin style 'gotcha' moment.  It failed.  But if you want to continue thinking the US is running guns to ISIS, go ahead.  No amount of information will change that stupidity. 

I also really enjoyed that you ignored the mention that I've been talking about the Turks running guns into ISIS for at least a year.  Don't let those facts get in the way.

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake

The whole conflict with the Kurds is well understood edn, that's just more captain obvious points that everyone already puts on the back pages of understanding.  It has become quite clear that the Erdogan govenment has been complicit to make sure that ISIS is a viable entity because they know ISIS is fighting the Kurds.   Erdogan would rather see bloody ISIS attacks in the heart of Turkey as opposed to primarily border flare-ups with the Kurds.   Stop with the captain obvious BS, it just shows you have zero depth.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL at your "articles" first off.   Second, you've totally mashfucked my post into a confused repackaged strawman. 

Recap, you are wrong that Turkey is mad at the Kurds because they are fighting ISIS.  To even suggest that shows you lack any understanding of the last 30 years of Northern Iraq, Syrian, Turkish history.  No one is arguing that Turkey isn't running guns to ISIS.  You invented that thinking you had a Palin style 'gotcha' moment.  It failed.  But if you want to continue thinking the US is running guns to ISIS, go ahead.  No amount of information will change that stupidity. 

I also really enjoyed that you ignored the mention that I've been talking about the Turks running guns into ISIS for at least a year.  Don't let those facts get in the way.

Could you provide a link to your discussion of the Turks running guns to ISIS, and again that's been understood from the day the term "ISIS" hit the news, so it's hardly profound on any conceivable level.

[sonofdaxjones]

There's simply no way the U.S. couldn't know know that U.S. made weapons would utimately end up in the hands of ISIS.   At one point the U.S. was shipping weapons just about anybody who said they were against Assad.    So to say the U.S. isn't supplying ISIS with weapons, even if it's via 3rd party (and is that being generous) is fundamentally disingenuous if not downright utter stupidity.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/amnesty-international-isis-weapons-u-s-/

[ednksu]

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake

The whole conflict with the Kurds is well understood edn, that's just more captain obvious points that everyone already puts on the back pages of understanding.  It has become quite clear that the Erdogan govenment has been complicit to make sure that ISIS is a viable entity because they know ISIS is fighting the Kurds.   Erdogan would rather see bloody ISIS attacks in the heart of Turkey as opposed to primarily border flare-ups with the Kurds.   Stop with the captain obvious BS, it just shows you have zero depth.

First this is the least shitty post you've made in months outside of your KU financial bashing. 

Second these articles you just posted, and numerous other ones you've posted, don't say what you want them to say.  They aren't any example of the US running guns into "terrorists" as you describe them.  Everyone admits that we are arming numerous rebel groups, including some we will probably have the joy of fighting 10 or 15 years from now.  But that isn't the same as arming ISIS and Ansar, or any other hardcore Slafist group. 

But you are putting too fine a point on Edro's support or rather tolerance, of ISIS.  There is no way he would be willing to allow mass attacks inside the heart of their country.  They have allowed a lot of border violence and some minor flare ups in distant cities.  Every time a larger attack occurs, or something like the airport bombing happens they have been afraid to label ISIS caused because there will be no toleration from the general populace, let alone the military for allowing the heart of Turkey to be attacked. 

[ednksu]

LOL at your "articles" first off.   Second, you've totally mashfucked my post into a confused repackaged strawman. 

Recap, you are wrong that Turkey is mad at the Kurds because they are fighting ISIS.  To even suggest that shows you lack any understanding of the last 30 years of Northern Iraq, Syrian, Turkish history.  No one is arguing that Turkey isn't running guns to ISIS.  You invented that thinking you had a Palin style 'gotcha' moment.  It failed.  But if you want to continue thinking the US is running guns to ISIS, go ahead.  No amount of information will change that stupidity. 

I also really enjoyed that you ignored the mention that I've been talking about the Turks running guns into ISIS for at least a year.  Don't let those facts get in the way.

Could you provide a link to your discussion of the Turks running guns to ISIS, and again that's been understood from the day the term "ISIS" hit the news, so it's hardly profound on any conceivable level.

No I'm not researching posts from a year ago because you didn't pay attention.  And it hasn't been "Understood" since ISIS got rolling 3 or 4 years ago.  I know I've posted info from several Israeli sources who have been able to track shipments of arms and several news organizations have been able to get pretty damning video evidence of trucks with arms moving across restricted border points.

ex
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Turkish-Intel-provided-weapons-to-ISIS-terror-suspects-says-390571
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.689623

[ednksu]

There's simply no way the U.S. couldn't know know that U.S. made weapons would utimately end up in the hands of ISIS.   At one point the U.S. was shipping weapons just about anybody who said they were against Assad.    So to say the U.S. isn't supplying ISIS with weapons, even if it's via 3rd party (and is that being generous) is fundamentally disingenuous if not downright utter stupidity.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/amnesty-international-isis-weapons-u-s-/

You are totally underestimating the magnitude of material the Iraqi army bequeathed to ISIS has it vanished into thin air.  Why would they need new arms when they have a trail of fantastic, lightly used weaponry, leading all the way to the doorstep of Baghdad?  I'm sure that some small arms are probably infused into the region by the US, and making it to ISIS hands.  But there is no hard intel the good stuff came by direct US aide.  Instead the more obvious, and much easier way for those good arms to get into ISIS hands is to pick them up from the ground in Mosul, Kirkuk, Ramadi and Fuj.

Now if you want to argue if we've armed Islamic forces that are aligned against the Syrian regime, friendly or at least neutral to ISIS, that is something that would be a typically American fuckup.  And we have decades of track record to show how great we are at picking the wrong 'enemy of my enemy.'

[The Big Train]

What. A. Series. Of. Posts.

[ednksu]

What. A. Series. Of. Posts.

Don't cuck things up.

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake

The whole conflict with the Kurds is well understood edn, that's just more captain obvious points that everyone already puts on the back pages of understanding.  It has become quite clear that the Erdogan govenment has been complicit to make sure that ISIS is a viable entity because they know ISIS is fighting the Kurds.   Erdogan would rather see bloody ISIS attacks in the heart of Turkey as opposed to primarily border flare-ups with the Kurds.   Stop with the captain obvious BS, it just shows you have zero depth.

First this is the least shitty post you've made in months outside of your KU financial bashing. 

Second these articles you just posted, and numerous other ones you've posted, don't say what you want them to say.  They aren't any example of the US running guns into "terrorists" as you describe them.  Everyone admits that we are arming numerous rebel groups, including some we will probably have the joy of fighting 10 or 15 years from now.  But that isn't the same as arming ISIS and Ansar, or any other hardcore Slafist group. 

But you are putting too fine a point on Edro's support or rather tolerance, of ISIS.  There is no way he would be willing to allow mass attacks inside the heart of their country.  They have allowed a lot of border violence and some minor flare ups in distant cities.  Every time a larger attack occurs, or something like the airport bombing happens they have been afraid to label ISIS caused because there will be no toleration from the general populace, let alone the military for allowing the heart of Turkey to be attacked.

There's simply to many reports to post that discuss how U.S. weapons have fallen in ISIS hands via extremely suspect routes to post here, every excuse you can find under the sun including: "Miss targeted air drop, meant for the Kurds" . . "ISIS sympathizers in Iraqi military" . . . and the tried and true "Stolen".   

LOL at you simpleton.   The Kurds by and large got along with the Turkish government until this last election when the Kurds went against Erdogan and many indigenous Kurds who prior to 2014 were very pro government/pro AKP went with the HDP because they were pissed because Erdogan lent zero support to the Kurds when Kurdish cities were under seige by ISIS.   Ever since that, Erdogan has been grinding the ax hard against the Kurds.     Also the HDP is very liberal in regards to the role of women and workers rights.   While Erdogan and the AKP aka the pro-Islamist Justice party have very little tolerance for such liberal thinking.    Yeah Erdogan has been remiss in admitting that it's ISIS that is attacking the country because he's a afraid it will bring him down as he attempts to consolidate power, but that simply is not enough to remove the reality that his government have been even more complicit in allowing ISIS to attack the Kurds so as to keep the Kurds from concentrating on consolidating power and formalizing a sovereign Kurdish state.

[sonofdaxjones]

In addition our mods would have to turn up a whole series of new servers to support the amount of documentation I could post discussing the absolute fact that ISIS fighters had a very easy time getting into Syria via Turkey.  The Turkish government knew it and did nothing about it.   Why?  The most common and obvious theme is that the Turkish government saw that they had a common enemy with ISIS.

[ednksu]

Dax you are arguing two mutually exclusive things now.  You can't say in one post that the Kurds and the Turks have been getting long and then post about the Turks running guns into ISIS to attack the Kurds.  There is no rough ridin' logic in that.  Most importantly you are yet again bastardizing a complex group of people, the Kurds, into a homogeneous group so you can construct your strawman.  Yes there have been large factions of Kurds looking for peaceful coexistence with a lot of regional autonomy, but that is in no way the whole of Kurdish society that you claim has been peaceful until this last election.  One of the biggest faults you are having here is involving ISIS too much in domestic Turkish politics.  Their issues extended well beyond that.  The Turkish Kurds are going to feel some brotherhood to their people being killed by ISIS, but they have a bigger reason to hate Edro than his support of ISIS, and that Edros' continued direct attacks on the Kurdish people a political level as well as direct military confrontation.  But I would agree, as anyone probably would, that a lot of the Turkish blind eye has been to weaken the Kurds as the advocate for an independent state. That isn't anything groundbreaking and is usually even included as a background in any Turkish gun running story. 

[ednksu]

In addition our mods would have to turn up a whole series of new servers to support the amount of documentation I could post discussing the absolute fact that ISIS fighters had a very easy time getting into Syria via Turkey.  The Turkish government knew it and did nothing about it.   Why?  The most common and obvious theme is that the Turkish government saw that they had a common enemy with ISIS.

Letting ISIS run wild isn't just about the Turkish beef with the Kurds and extends will beyond that into numerous regional rivalries.  /captain obvs.  You need to stop making these find points by brushing over large swaths of history and politics.

[sonofdaxjones]

In addition our mods would have to turn up a whole series of new servers to support the amount of documentation I could post discussing the absolute fact that ISIS fighters had a very easy time getting into Syria via Turkey.  The Turkish government knew it and did nothing about it.   Why?  The most common and obvious theme is that the Turkish government saw that they had a common enemy with ISIS.

Letting ISIS run wild isn't just about the Turkish beef with the Kurds and extends will beyond that into numerous regional rivalries.  /captain obvs.  You need to stop making these find points by brushing over large swaths of history and politics.

I never said it was "just" and the rest of your post is just things that everyone has known for years.   That still doesn't change the clear and common theme.  That's your standard go to "history" and "politics" . . . everyone understands the history, everyone understands the politics, the history of this situation has been laid out repeatedly.   But again, that doesn't change the reality of Turkish government complicity in the rise and staying power of ISIS, and it doesn't change the reality that the Turkish government has been far more concerned at destroying the likelihood of a sovereign Kurdish state as it has been in destroying ISIS, and there's more then ample evidence (as I mentioned about the 2014 elections and the loss of Kurdish support of Erdogan) that Turkey has turned a blind eye to ISIS attacks on Kurds on the Turkish border. 

There's even reports that Turkish intelligence knew exactly what was going to go down at the airport, had all the phones tapped, knew the players and did nothing.

[ednksu]

Links on Turkish intelligence having actionable intel on bombs.