Author Topic: Altman (Read 4828 times)

chum1 · « **on:** March 25, 2016, 11:10:53 AM »

With complete 20/20 hindsight, knowing what happened with Asbury, should we have kept Altman instead? What would have happened if we had?

He was Big 8 COY the year before he was fired.

wetwillie · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:13:56 AM »

Did Dana get fired just like Frank got fired?

chum1 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:15:48 AM »

Quote from: wetwillie on March 25, 2016, 11:13:56 AM

Did Dana get fired just like Frank got fired?

Except that no fans wanted him either.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:27:38 AM »

Dana (nor any coach probably) was going to survive Roy taking KU from typical basketball school to national power.

Also, as a casual observer of Altman over the last 30 years it appears to me basketball as evolved more toward his style of undersized athletes than he has re-invented himself. I mean, he has never really recruited any above average NBA player in 30 years other than Mitch and Kyle Korver. His teams always seem to be a bunch of 6-4 to 6-7 guys with a blend of good athleticism and decent shooting.

pissclams · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:29:13 AM »

asbury- a guy who had mid-major success for a couple years with 1 star player and then gets bumped to the big time. reminds me of someone we know

no, don't keep altman. he had to go
urich was in over his head and had no clue what he was doing when it came to hiring a basketball coach but keeping alt-dog wasn't an option

ELL3 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:29:48 AM »

At the end of 93-94 season, lost in NIT Final 4, Altman met with Wefald and Urick. He was not promised a return in 94-95 (if a better candidate was found he would be fired) and took the Creighton job. I wonder what K-State basketball would be like if a young Oscar was hired to replace Dana in April of 1994?

chum1 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:33:24 AM »

Quote from: ELL3 on March 25, 2016, 11:29:48 AM

Altman met with Wefald and Urick. He was not promised a return in 94-95 (if a better candidate was found he would be fired)

If that happened, then Urick was most certainly in over his head.

ELL3 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:35:03 AM »

That is what I have been told by several people, is it fact? Can't imagine it would be made up. Most Athletic Directors do end of season evaluations

Skipper44 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:36:21 AM »

Quote from: pissclams on March 25, 2016, 11:29:13 AM

asbury- a guy who had mid-major success for a couple years with 1 star player and then gets bumped to the big time. reminds me of someone we know

no, don't keep altman. he had to go
urich was in over his head and had no clue what he was doing when it came to hiring a basketball coach but keeping alt-dog wasn't an option

a Brad - Tom comparo is pretty thin - Brad being a former player that loves the school & community and was directly involved in the rebirth of the program is slightly different than the mid major flavor of the week that also happened to have Doug Christie dunk all over AFH the year before.

But I can't agree more about the Wefald/Urick braintrust - Wooldridge hire is still beyond comprehension

chum1 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:38:35 AM »

Quote from: Skipper44 on March 25, 2016, 11:36:21 AM

happened to have Doug Christie dunk all over AFH the year before

That's a great tidbit.

pissclams · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:53:35 AM »

Quote from: ELL3 on March 25, 2016, 11:35:03 AM

That is what I have been told by several people, is it fact? Can't imagine it would be made up. Most Athletic Directors do end of season evaluations

i heard the same thing, but rumors are just that

pissclams · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:55:13 AM »

Quote from: Skipper44 on March 25, 2016, 11:36:21 AM

Quote from: pissclams on March 25, 2016, 11:29:13 AM
asbury- a guy who had mid-major success for a couple years with 1 star player and then gets bumped to the big time. reminds me of someone we know

no, don't keep altman. he had to go
urich was in over his head and had no clue what he was doing when it came to hiring a basketball coach but keeping alt-dog wasn't an option
a Brad - Tom comparo is pretty thin - Brad being a former player that loves the school & community and was directly involved in the rebirth of the program is slightly different than the mid major flavor of the week that also happened to have Doug Christie dunk all over AFH the year before.

But I can't agree more about the Wefald/Urick braintrust - Wooldridge hire is still beyond comprehension

what the hell does being a former player who loves the school have to do with anything when i'm comparing their professional career? nothing.
if anything, asbury was more qualified to be head coach here

'taterblast · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2016, 11:56:22 AM »

so why did everyone want altman gone? any reason other than they didn't think we were winning enough? *looks at kruger/altman records* i guess we were pretty much dog crap in conference play under him so yeah it makes sense.

sys · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2016, 12:41:43 PM »

Quote from: 'taterblast on March 25, 2016, 11:56:22 AM

so why did everyone want altman gone?

his mustache looked stupid.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2016, 12:50:03 PM »

Quote from: 'taterblast on March 25, 2016, 11:56:22 AM

so why did everyone want altman gone? any reason other than they didn't think we were winning enough? *looks at kruger/altman records* i guess we were pretty much dog crap in conference play under him so yeah it makes sense.

19-37 in conference play with a peak of 7-7 in 93. In all likelihood if NIT selection was the same as today, we never see Ski score 62 points vs the Zags.

CHONGS · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2016, 12:52:34 PM »

This is a good cautionary tale as to why we should keep oscar, we have a great shot of making the Elite 8 again in 22 years.

chum1 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2016, 12:59:21 PM »

He had a string of 7 NCAAs in 9 years at Creighton. And NCAAs in the past 4 years at Oregon. Yet no one seems to think we should have given him more time. It's interesting.

pissclams · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2016, 01:01:19 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on March 25, 2016, 12:59:21 PM

He had a string of 7 NCAAs in 9 years at Creighton. And NCAAs in the past 4 years at Oregon. Yet no one seems to think we should have given him more time. It's interesting.

the rest of the big 8 was really good back then. he wasn't and couldn't compete at the level that the big 8 was at the time.

michigancat · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2016, 01:06:00 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on March 25, 2016, 12:59:21 PM

He had a string of 7 NCAAs in 9 years at Creighton. And NCAAs in the past 4 years at Oregon. Yet no one seems to think we should have given him more time. It's interesting.

I think coaches are probably fired too quickly in general at schools at our level. Especially now that coaches are more reluctant to leave a place like Wichita State, Creighton, and Butler for a shitty high major.

pissclams · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2016, 01:11:20 PM »

he was lon's recruiter. he is the guy that brought in mitch, ski, jean deloure (sp), etc.
he was at moberly before k-state and wasn't ready for what the big 8 had going on at the time.

sys · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2016, 01:11:41 PM »

it only looks like a possible mistake in hindsight. there was nothing in his time at kstate that would have suggested that he deserved more time. people are actually being very fair in not reevaluating the failure to retain him.

Cire · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2016, 01:19:17 PM »

Altman wouldn't have recruited well enough. Oregon recruits itself. He can clearly coach.

Woogy · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2016, 01:36:12 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on March 25, 2016, 01:01:19 PM

Quote from: chum1 on March 25, 2016, 12:59:21 PM
He had a string of 7 NCAAs in 9 years at Creighton. And NCAAs in the past 4 years at Oregon. Yet no one seems to think we should have given him more time. It's interesting.
the rest of the big 8 was really good back then. he wasn't and couldn't compete at the level that the big 8 was at the time.

His non-con scheduling was dog crap as well. A half empty, nearly new Bramlage underscored the indifference.

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2016, 02:12:02 PM »

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on March 25, 2016, 12:50:03 PM

19-37 in conference play with a peak of 7-7 in 93. In all likelihood if NIT selection was the same as today, we never see Ski score 62 points vs the Zags.

We never did.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2016, 02:16:53 PM »

Oops, memory is fading, I picked the wrong Bulldog opponent from that NIT run.