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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #125 on: March 02, 2016, 01:11:21 PM »
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« Reply #126 on: March 02, 2016, 01:15:16 PM »


i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.

That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.

i bet there's a ton of signal in that variability.  i'm not going to look for it, but i'd be amazed if it isn't there.
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« Reply #127 on: March 02, 2016, 02:23:08 PM »
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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #128 on: March 02, 2016, 03:15:47 PM »


i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.

That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.

i bet there's a ton of signal in that variability.  i'm not going to look for it, but i'd be amazed if it isn't there.

Asbury had a great conference record at pepperdine while he was there because he hit the lottery jackpot with doug christie who played four years for Asbury before going on to a fifteen year nba career. brad doesn't have a guy like that, is putting up better numbers and is at least known to not be a complete unmotivated loser of a human.

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #129 on: March 02, 2016, 04:00:58 PM »
at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #130 on: March 02, 2016, 04:14:10 PM »


i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.

That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.

i bet there's a ton of signal in that variability.  i'm not going to look for it, but i'd be amazed if it isn't there.

Asbury had a great conference record at pepperdine while he was there because he hit the lottery jackpot with doug christie who played four years for Asbury before going on to a fifteen year nba career. brad doesn't have a guy like that, is putting up better numbers and is at least known to not be a complete unmotivated loser of a human.

All this Asbury talk led me to this gem!


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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #131 on: March 02, 2016, 04:26:24 PM »
at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while

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« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2016, 04:30:19 PM »
Lon is so much better.

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #133 on: March 02, 2016, 04:31:22 PM »
at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while

new board rule:  everyone love brad underwood.  smdh
I am in a strange spot.  I am not super enthusiastic about Brad, but I loathe oscar and I think there data to suggest oscar is failing here at KSU.  I will generally err on the side of taking a risk to push out a known failure, and Brad would be a huge risk.  Maybe I will just argue with everyone. That actually sounds like fun, I understand why people do it.

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #134 on: March 02, 2016, 04:33:13 PM »
All this Asbury talk led me to this gem!



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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #135 on: March 02, 2016, 04:34:32 PM »
Lon is so much better.

That's an interesting comparo that leads me back to thinking about how unreliable lower level results are as predictors at a higher level. Lon actually had a losing record at UTPA and only had one good season. I think it's safe to say UTPA under Lon was competing at a similar level as Brad is at SFA.

Is it reasonable to expect Brad to perform better than Kruger?

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« Reply #136 on: March 02, 2016, 06:01:46 PM »
Lon is so much better.

That's an interesting comparo that leads me back to thinking about how unreliable lower level results are as predictors at a higher level. Lon actually had a losing record at UTPA and only had one good season. I think it's safe to say UTPA under Lon was competing at a similar level as Brad is at SFA.

Is it reasonable to expect Brad to perform better than Kruger?
I am not sure how much you stock you can put in what a guy did at low major in the mid 80s, there was no 3 point line, no AAU, no tv at all for low majors, etc.

Brad definitely got a good gig at SFA but his winning percentage proves he can get the most out of his players, it's not like Nacogdoches has some kind of local talent advantage over the rest of his league other than being only 2 hrs from the elite city of Beaumont.

oscar has proven he can recruit at least NCAA level talent to MHK even if he can't keep them and he has done it with a staff of recruiters that I think Brad could easily match.  Hell, just getting a fresher AAU guy from Texas will likely pay immediate dividends.

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #137 on: March 02, 2016, 07:53:26 PM »
kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors


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« Reply #138 on: March 02, 2016, 08:01:03 PM »
kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors

I didn't even know we had seniors on the youngest team in the galaxy.

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« Reply #139 on: March 02, 2016, 08:12:47 PM »

kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors

I remember when Wooly didn't even play Ivan Sulic one second on senior night.

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #140 on: March 02, 2016, 10:47:19 PM »
at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while

new board rule:  everyone love brad underwood.  smdh
I am in a strange spot.  I am not super enthusiastic about Brad, but I loathe oscar and I think there data to suggest oscar is failing here at KSU.  I will generally err on the side of taking a risk to push out a known failure, and Brad would be a huge risk.  Maybe I will just argue with everyone. That actually sounds like fun, I understand why people do it.

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« Reply #141 on: March 02, 2016, 10:49:08 PM »
kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors

I didn't even know we had seniors on the youngest team in the galaxy.

Hearing Stan try to spin the graphic that essentially has us as the 6th youngest team in the conference was hilarious.

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Re: HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?
« Reply #142 on: March 03, 2016, 07:56:27 AM »
Data. Do with it what you want.



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« Reply #143 on: March 03, 2016, 08:32:22 AM »
Data. Do with it what you want.



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« Reply #144 on: March 03, 2016, 08:53:04 AM »
we just beat TCU guys, enjoy the moment!

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« Reply #145 on: March 03, 2016, 09:35:01 AM »
Data. Do with it what you want.



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Data. Do with it what you want.

Improvement!

Give oscar the extension boys.

If you're willing to accept that your numbers show a downward trend, why wouldn't you also accept that my numbers show an upward trend?

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« Reply #146 on: March 03, 2016, 09:37:59 AM »
If you're willing to accept that your numbers show a downward trend, why wouldn't you also accept that my numbers show an upward trend?

They don't pass my "eye test".