Illinois

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Is the #1 reason I'm not in a huge rush to fire oscar. The next isn't always better, and usually worse.

[michigancat]

Seems both oscar and Groce are on similar trajectories. But yeah, there's always a worse hire out there. And given the fact that we were dumb enough to hire oscar in the first place I have zero confidence in our ability to replace him.

[pissclams]

Is the #1 reason I'm not in a huge rush to fire oscar. The next isn't always better, and usually worse.

if you measure oscar simply on wins and loses, the next isn't always better.  but, if you measure oscar as a person, on being a complete pos human being who is incapable of taking responsibility for his role in his team's demise, on continually throwing his players under the bus, along with the rest of the stupid crap he does, almost anything is better.

i'm quite confident that it only gets better than this embarrassment. 

[renocat]

Did bread get moldy.  I miss him.

[ksupamplemousse]

Is it not pretty obvious that he's in jail or dead?

[Trim]

If we're lucky, oscar will retire right as illinois fires groce, and we can pick him up.

[rob mccolley]

Yeah, Groce is kind of a cliché machine but he doesn't routinely trash the unpaid labor.

if you measure oscar as a person, on being a complete pos human being who is incapable of taking responsibility for his role in his team's demise, on continually throwing his players under the bus, along with the rest of the stupid crap he does, almost anything is better.

Maybe more importantly, it's easier to watch his teams because it's defense thats the problem. For the casual observer, watching bad defense is a lot more entertaining than watching stagnant offense.

[SdK]

Is it not pretty obvious that he's in jail or dead?

Or a sock

[pvegs]

yeah the important thing to remember about trying is it could lead to failure so never try

[Havs]

"I should stay in this abusive relationship because my next significant other might be even more abusive."

[AbeFroman]

If we're lucky, oscar will retire right as illinois fires groce, and we can pick him up.

What are Keady's thoughts on Groce? Huge fan I imagine?

[EMAWzified]

We should just hope that after X amount of years listening the squeaks, t he AD doesn't all in love with the first gravel-voice candidate. However, I would expect such a classic reaction hire from Currie.

[slobber]

If we're lucky, oscar will retire right as illinois fires groce, and we can pick him up.

What are Keady's thoughts on Groce? Huge fan I imagine?

Groce was an usher at Keady's wedding. He only kind of likes him.


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[steve dave]

Is the #1 reason I'm not in a huge rush to fire oscar. The next isn't always better, and usually worse.

well then hire another one until you get a good one. oscar obviously sucks complete crap as a coach and as a person. there is no downside to firing him. the very worst we can do is move laterally.

[kso_FAN]

Is the #1 reason I'm not in a huge rush to fire oscar. The next isn't always better, and usually worse.

well then hire another one until you get a good one. oscar obviously sucks complete crap as a coach and as a person. there is no downside to firing him. the very worst we can do is move laterally.

Plus the logic is backwards. In the current state of college basketball the bigger risk is waiting on further failure in your program, especially when the ceiling next season is probably being a middle of the Big 12 tournament team.

[steve dave]

and comparing groce and weber is stupid to begin with. oscar was taking over for a coach who had been to (and won games at) multiple consecutive ncaa tournaments and groce was taking over for a fired oscar who had just turned in a 17-15 record and had won 1 NCAA tourn game in the previous 5 years.

[CNS]

Our next coach will have to be really good to not be a Groce, imo. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Part of my point was that Illinois isn't near the quality of job Illinois fans think it was, and when they fired oscar for "ruining" their program they should have realized he was probably the second or third best coach they'd ever had. They brought in Groce (one of the hottest things around) who is both a worse coach and recruiter thinking that get back up to "that level".  That's pretty lol, but could easily be kstate.

I get the "trajectory" comments, but find them rather disingenuous.   He won 47 games his first two seasons (FM won 45 the 2 preceeding years), had the disaster his third year and appears to be trending back in the right direction with 10 new players (I note the conference is arguably the best it has ever been). If the team sucks next year, can him, he got his do over. If the team is better, looking to get better, it seems stupid to fire him, both in principle and from an external perception (subsequent HC hiring) standpoint.

If we want to be bad trending towards futile we can follow the ku football model and fire a coach every 2 years until the only guy who will take the job is the bball equivalent of Beatty.

[kso_FAN]

Part of my point was that Illinois isn't near the quality of job Illinois fans think it was, and when they fired oscar for "ruining" their program they should have realized he was probably the second or third best coach they'd ever had. They brought in Groce (one of the hottest things around) who is both a worse coach and recruiter thinking that get back up to "that level".  That's pretty lol, but could easily be kstate.

I get the "trajectory" comments, but find them rather disingenuous.   He won 47 games his first two seasons (FM won 45 the 2 preceeding years), had the disaster his third year and appears to be trending back in the right direction with 10 new players (I note the conference is arguably the best it has ever been). If the team sucks next year, can him, he got his do over. If the team is better, looking to get better, it seems stupid to fire him, both in principle and from an external perception (subsequent HC hiring) standpoint.

If we want to be bad trending towards futile we can follow the ku football model and fire a coach every 2 years until the only guy who will take the job is the bball equivalent of Beatty.

I don't disagree with everything you say.

But we haven't fired a coach every 2 years. oscar will probably get 5, I'm resigned to that.

And I get your "right direction" comment, but I don't completely agree. What we see now is #bruceketball. He has a good chance to get us back next year to respectability, likely a .500ish conference record and riding the bubble. Get in the NCAA tournament and probably lose. Then maybe a slightly better season the next year, then probably a rebuild (again) and a similar 3 year cycle. Of course, he could also have "bad fits" again and lose a key player or two in that span and it gets ugly again. I just think that's what oscar is at the P5 level, the evidence is there.

[michigancat]

When were we heading more in the "right direction"? March 2014 or March 2016?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

When were we heading more in the "right direction"? March 2014 or March 2016?

Unfiring FM isn't an option, captain strawtard

[michigancat]

When were we heading more in the "right direction"? March 2014 or March 2016?

Unfiring FM isn't an option, captain strawtard

Not sure what Frank has to do with my post. I'm saying we looked to be in pretty good shape under oscar about 2 years ago. And here we are.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

In my time travel scenario I go with Jack Hartman

[pissclams]

captain strawtard

   

[rob mccolley]

I'm just a visitor here, of course. I know how you Emaws feel about the sardonic, the parodic and the absurd.

when they fired oscar for "ruining" their program they should have realized he was probably the second or third best coach they'd ever had.

What's your opinion on telling a more senior poster that he's full of crap, and has failed miserably to do even a scant amount of research?