@gE strikes again!

[mocat]

this season the team has generally outplayed its talent level

what would our record be if we didn't "outplay our talent level"?

Overall, that was a very difficult read.

Why the eff don't we have a higher talent level then?  If we outplayed our talent level to finish second to last, what has oscar done to our program?

To be fair, that is often said about our football program as well.

Not when we finish 2nd to last

[CNS]

this season the team has generally outplayed its talent level

what would our record be if we didn't "outplay our talent level"?

Overall, that was a very difficult read.

Why the eff don't we have a higher talent level then?  If we outplayed our talent level to finish second to last, what has oscar done to our program?

To be fair, that is often said about our football program as well.

My god.  Can you even imagine what would happen if oscar roughed out a diamond like Jordy?   

[sys]

people say that all the time about coaches.  they don't just say it, they apply it in voting for coach of the year, etc.  coaches are simply not held responsible for recruiting.

[Canary]

this season the team has generally outplayed its talent level

what would our record be if we didn't "outplay our talent level"?

Overall, that was a very difficult read.

Why the eff don't we have a higher talent level then?  If we outplayed our talent level to finish second to last, what has oscar done to our program?

To be fair, that is often said about our football program as well.

Not when we finish 2nd to last

Great point. 

[kso_FAN]

this season the team has generally outplayed its talent level

what would our record be if we didn't "outplay our talent level"?

This is one of the better pro-Weber talking points. "With last year's turnover and this group of players I wasn't sure we would win a conference game" is something I've read a couple of times. When the rationale to keep someone is based on the fact that we're just  really bad when they thought we'd be terrible is mind boggling.

[SdK]

I wish Weber would just win a lot of games every year and get to the sweet sixteen 2 out of every 5 years.

[#LIFE]

I wish Weber would just win a lot of games every year and get to the sweet sixteen 2 out of every 5 years.

1 of our pal learnin's talking points is that oscar isn't winning as many games because people don't like him and we never gave him a chance when he was hired.  oscar can act like a dipshit and make all the excuses he wants if he wins 20+ games every year and makes a run in the tournament every 3-4 as far as I'm concerned and I'd be fine with him.

[michigancat]

I wish Weber would just win a lot of games every year and get to the sweet sixteen 2 out of every 5 years.

1 of our pal learnin's talking points is that oscar isn't winning as many games because people don't like him and we never gave him a chance when he was hired.  oscar can act like a dipshit and make all the excuses he wants if he wins 20+ games every year and makes a run in the tournament every 3-4 as far as I'm concerned and I'd be fine with him.

I mean, Frank acted like a total dipshit in many ways.

[Steffy08]

I hated the Weber hire, was impressed when he won the Big 12 in his first year, but am concerned about the downward trajectory of the last three years.  I'm willing to give him one more year, but the expectation for next year should be pretty high.  Starting lineup of DJamer, Wade, Westicles, Brown, and Stokes is very solid.  Anything worse than a six seed in the NCAA will be a disappointment in my opinion.  I hate how Weber makes excuses, but the reality is that losing Stokes this year was a killer.

[Rage Against the McKee]

oscar was the toast of the town just 2 years ago.

[kso_FAN]

I wish Weber would just win a lot of games every year and get to the sweet sixteen 2 out of every 5 years.

1 of our pal learnin's talking points is that oscar isn't winning as many games because people don't like him and we never gave him a chance when he was hired.  oscar can act like a dipshit and make all the excuses he wants if he wins 20+ games every year and makes a run in the tournament every 3-4 as far as I'm concerned and I'd be fine with him.

I mean, Frank acted like a total dipshit in many ways.

Winning generally will cause most fans to put up with many antics. Many will become endearing qualities of the coach.

"BUY IN OR QUIT!"

[SdK]

Now all we need is for oscar to start winning. I'm ready! Are you?

[pissclams]

losing stokes hurts as much as it does because oscar put us in the position where we needed to rely on him to save our season.  no team should be in the position where the loss of a true freshman point guard kills their season.  playing point is arguably the toughest position to play and the idea that since he got hurt, we suck, is ludicrous.  we sucked before he got hurt otherwise he wouldn't have made the difference that he supposedly made.

[catzacker]

this season the team has generally outplayed its talent level

what would our record be if we didn't "outplay our talent level"?

Overall, that was a very difficult read.

That is one of the worse talking points, especially when it is coupled with those shitty undertalented players getting "better" next year.

[That_Guy]

losing stokes hurts as much as it does because oscar put us in the position where we needed to rely on him to save our season.  no team should be in the position where the loss of a true freshman point guard kills their season.  playing point is arguably the toughest position to play and the idea that since he got hurt, we suck, is ludicrous.  we sucked before he got hurt otherwise he wouldn't have made the difference that he supposedly made.

This. We were just as terrible before Stokes was injured


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[420seriouscat69]

The depth at PG didn't hurt, but yeah, I agree somewhat.

[CNS]

The depth at PG didn't hurt, but yeah, I agree somewhat.

What depth? 

[420seriouscat69]

The depth at PG didn't hurt, but yeah, I agree somewhat.

What depth?

I'd rather have two average-above average freshman running the point (Brown & stokes), than having ervin and Rhoelder sniffing the court. But yes, we don't have a lot of able bodies.

[kso_FAN]

The key question for me is who from this current group develops into an All Big 12 player next year?

When I look back at our good teams (or any good team) they always have at least 1 guy that is 1st or 2nd team and 2-3 that are 2nd team or HM. Good players make good teams.

This year we will get a guy or two (Edwards and or DJamer) that might sniff HM, but that's it. Wade will probably make the all newcomer team, but I don't see him developing into all big 12 first or 2nd team next year. Or any of our other freshman. We might have a 2nd team guy and an HM guy, which will put us in the NIT and maybe on the bubble, but that seems to be next year's ceiling. If (when) oscar is back, my expectation will be NCAAs or bust.

[ChiComCat]

If tucks had the expectation that we would be worse than we are, what does that say for how oscar has already changed expectations?  Absolutely mind blowing at how quickly parts of our fanbase and administration go back to an acceptance of losing after previous success.

Maybe it's just that the administration figured out a way to solve their sportsmanship "problem" - have the team play in an empty gym.

[The Whale]

I think Budke playing big minutes every game hurts far more than the loss of Stokes when you're looking at the season as a whole.

[michigancat]

The key question for me is who from this current group develops into an All Big 12 player next year?

When I look back at our good teams (or any good team) they always have at least 1 guy that is 1st or 2nd team and 2-3 that are 2nd team or HM. Good players make good teams.

This year we will get a guy or two (Edwards and or DJamer) that might sniff HM, but that's it. Wade will probably make the all newcomer team, but I don't see him developing into all big 12 first or 2nd team next year. Or any of our other freshman. We might have a 2nd team guy and an HM guy, which will put us in the NIT and maybe on the bubble, but that seems to be next year's ceiling. If (when) oscar is back, my expectation will be NCAAs or bust.

Here's the thing. What's the point of an "NCAA or bust" season in year six (and year 15 as a high major coach)? We already know all we need to know about him before that season. Like, if you get to an "NCAA or bust" point, the decision is effectively made. Why isn't this an NCAA or bust season? Why isn't the next season NCAA or bust?

[Ptolemy]

losing stokes hurts as much as it does because oscar put us in the position where we needed to rely on him to save our season.  no team should be in the position where the loss of a true freshman point guard kills their season.  playing point is arguably the toughest position to play and the idea that since he got hurt, we suck, is ludicrous.  we sucked before he got hurt otherwise he wouldn't have made the difference that he supposedly made.

Agree. We were 2-7 in conference when Stokes went down.

[CNS]

The key question for me is who from this current group develops into an All Big 12 player next year?

When I look back at our good teams (or any good team) they always have at least 1 guy that is 1st or 2nd team and 2-3 that are 2nd team or HM. Good players make good teams.

This year we will get a guy or two (Edwards and or DJamer) that might sniff HM, but that's it. Wade will probably make the all newcomer team, but I don't see him developing into all big 12 first or 2nd team next year. Or any of our other freshman. We might have a 2nd team guy and an HM guy, which will put us in the NIT and maybe on the bubble, but that seems to be next year's ceiling. If (when) oscar is back, my expectation will be NCAAs or bust.

Here's the thing. What's the point of an "NCAA or bust" season in year six (and year 15 as a high major coach)? We already know all we need to know about him before that season. Like, if you get to an "NCAA or bust" point, the decision is effectively made. Why isn't this an NCAA or bust season? Why isn't the next season NCAA or bust?

Well, it's not fair this year.  He has bad players. 

[kso_FAN]

The key question for me is who from this current group develops into an All Big 12 player next year?

When I look back at our good teams (or any good team) they always have at least 1 guy that is 1st or 2nd team and 2-3 that are 2nd team or HM. Good players make good teams.

This year we will get a guy or two (Edwards and or DJamer) that might sniff HM, but that's it. Wade will probably make the all newcomer team, but I don't see him developing into all big 12 first or 2nd team next year. Or any of our other freshman. We might have a 2nd team guy and an HM guy, which will put us in the NIT and maybe on the bubble, but that seems to be next year's ceiling. If (when) oscar is back, my expectation will be NCAAs or bust.

Here's the thing. What's the point of an "NCAA or bust" season in year six (and year 15 as a high major coach)? We already know all we need to know about him before that season. Like, if you get to an "NCAA or bust" point, the decision is effectively made. Why isn't this an NCAA or bust season? Why isn't the next season NCAA or bust?

This is/was my bust season and I busted.

I'm just saying that a) he'll probably be back and b) my expectations will be the NCAA tournament or he should be gone. And the year after that and the year after that.