Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.

[Emo EMAW]

In regards to 1993...

[Rage Against the McKee]

So cars are roughly twice as safe since the CAFE standards were implemented, then?

[Ptolemy]

So cars are roughly twice as safe since the CAFE standards were implemented, then?

No.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So cars are roughly twice as safe since the CAFE standards were implemented, then?

No.

What do you base that on?

[Ptolemy]

What do you base that on?

"A National Research Council report found that the standards implemented in the 1970s and 1980s resulted in an additional 1,300 to 2,600 traffic fatalities in 1993. A Harvard Center for Risk Analysis study found that CAFE standards led to 2,200 to 3,900 additional fatalities to motorists per year. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's 2007 data show a correlation of about 250-500 fatalities per year per MPG."

Cars being made safer by better engineering does not excuse the reasoning behind CAFE standards. There is no need for CAFE standards and there are clearly measurable costs in human life.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What do you base that on?

"A National Research Council report found that the standards implemented in the 1970s and 1980s resulted in an additional 1,300 to 2,600 traffic fatalities in 1993. A Harvard Center for Risk Analysis study found that CAFE standards led to 2,200 to 3,900 additional fatalities to motorists per year. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's 2007 data show a correlation of about 250-500 fatalities per year per MPG."

Cars being made safer by better engineering does not excuse the reasoning behind CAFE standards. There is no need for CAFE standards and there are clearly measurable costs in human life.

Yes, because when I get in a car wreck, I want the vehicle hitting me to have as much momentum as possible.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah, they just count the lives saved instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

Which of those lives were saved by making the cars lighter?

Which of them weren't?

[Trim]

You guys declaring a transformer as your choice or what?

[chum1]

I like all of the candidates equally.

[Ptolemy]

Yes, because when I get in a car wreck, I want the vehicle hitting me to have as much momentum as possible.

So using your logic, we will end the concussion problem in football by removing the players' helmets!

[Institutional Control]

Yes, because when I get in a car wreck, I want the vehicle hitting me to have as much momentum as possible.

So using your logic, we will end the concussion problem in football by removing the players' helmets!

Already been though of.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/01/08/the-counter-intuitive-idea-that-could-drastically-reduce-head-injuries-in-football/

[Ptolemy]

Already been though of.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/01/08/the-counter-intuitive-idea-that-could-drastically-reduce-head-injuries-in-football/

...and the equivalent to auto crashes is we all must drive in wind-up aluminum cans in order to "save the planet" and make road oopsies less death-causing. 

[michigancat]

lol at anyone who still believes each state is its own little country

[Rage Against the McKee]

Already been though of.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/01/08/the-counter-intuitive-idea-that-could-drastically-reduce-head-injuries-in-football/

...and the equivalent to auto crashes is we all must drive in wind-up aluminum cans in order to "save the planet" and make road oopsies less death-causing.

 

[mocat]

ptolemy is amazing

[Mrs. Gooch]

MIR, please explain why Hillary already automatically gets 300+ "super delegates" before the primaries/caucuses even began. That doesn't seem right.

[MakeItRain]

Super delegates vote for whomever they want to, all of the major candidates have some number of super delegates that are committed to backing their guy or gal. Anyone who is saying she already has that many committed super delegates is simply guessing though and I would seriously wonder what their bullshit motivation is.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Super delegates vote for whomever they want to, all of the major candidates have some number of super delegates that are committed to backing their guy or gal. Anyone who is saying she already has that many committed super delegates is simply guessing though and I would seriously wonder what their bullshit motivation is.

It was on some news broadcast last night. Not sure which one.