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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2016, 01:37:09 PM »
Rand fails the first two

I think he says that because that is his compromise to be a part of the 'pub party.  I mean, he is basically the R's Bernie.

He wants to defund Planned Parenthood which interferes with my body if my body wants to go get a service from Planned Parenthood.

Defunding planned parenthood is stopping some of the wealth redistribution that you just said you don't want.

I said I don't want them to increase taxes by a lot to redistribute wealth. I don't mind keeping it the same or increase a little bit in order to keep poor people from getting poorer (by having unwanted kids).

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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2016, 01:47:08 PM »
Planned parenthood and the NRA lobby different politicians, so I doubt you ever find a candidate that supports both the way you want them to. You just have to pick your battles sometimes.

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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2016, 01:50:40 PM »
Planned parenthood and the NRA lobby different politicians, so I doubt you ever find a candidate that supports both the way you want them to. You just have to pick your battles sometimes.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. MIR said there is a candidate for everyone, but I still haven't found one.

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2016, 01:56:45 PM »
MIR is never wrong tho, so look harder
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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2016, 02:12:32 PM »
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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2016, 02:18:35 PM »
Planned parenthood and the NRA lobby different politicians, so I doubt you ever find a candidate that supports both the way you want them to. You just have to pick your battles sometimes.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. MIR said there is a candidate for everyone, but I still haven't found one.

Honestly? Your best bet is probably Kasich.

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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2016, 02:28:35 PM »
MIR is never wrong tho, so look harder

I'm still waiting on him to tell me who my candidate is...

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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2016, 02:32:46 PM »
MIR is never wrong tho, so look harder

I'm still waiting on him to tell me who my candidate is...

Have you looked into Gary Johnson?

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« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2016, 02:42:21 PM »
MIR is never wrong tho, so look harder

I'm still waiting on him to tell me who my candidate is...

Have you looked into Gary Johnson?

He looks pretty good. In the 2012 Presidential election he came in third. Just needs to move up 2 spots this time.

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2016, 02:45:59 PM »
Planned parenthood and the NRA lobby different politicians, so I doubt you ever find a candidate that supports both the way you want them to. You just have to pick your battles sometimes.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. MIR said there is a candidate for everyone, but I still haven't found one.

Honestly? Your best bet is probably Kasich.

I think he's anti-abortion and anti-marijuana. Both forced morality issues.

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« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2016, 03:03:45 PM »
MIR is never wrong tho, so look harder

I'm still waiting on him to tell me who my candidate is...

Have you looked into Gary Johnson?

He looks pretty good. In the 2012 Presidential election he came in third. Just needs to move up 2 spots this time.

tbh, I think I voted for him in 2012. I didn't really realize he was running again.

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« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2016, 04:17:48 PM »
Planned parenthood and the NRA lobby different politicians, so I doubt you ever find a candidate that supports both the way you want them to. You just have to pick your battles sometimes.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. MIR said there is a candidate for everyone, but I still haven't found one.

Honestly? Your best bet is probably Kasich.

I think he's anti-abortion and anti-marijuana. Both forced morality issues.

But out of all the candidates, he is the least likely to do anything about those issues. He is probably the most open minded about marijuana on that side of the ticket too.

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2016, 04:29:21 PM »
I refuse to vote for someone that believes in Supply (it will work once you're dead) Side Economics. So that leaves Hillary and Bernie. I think Hillary is much more qualified for Bernie. So even though I question her intentions, I will be voting for Hillary.

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« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2016, 11:42:58 AM »
When people express displeasure with the overall quality of candidates, is this just code for "I don't the person who is the presumed democratic nominee?" On the political spectrum there's something for everyone so I guess I just don't get that claim.

Who is the candidate for people who don't want government to interfere with their body, dictate morality, take away guns, or take large amounts of taxes to redistribute wealth, and who hasn't shown incompetence/willful neglect of national security?

Hillary, O'Malley and Marco. I think you would have a hard time in any election finding someone who would match that exact criteria. But let's take them one by one

-The only real candidate that could potentially be a real threat to women's reproductive rights is Ted Cruz but as much as he would huff and puff about stuff like that it would be very difficult to make any movement there. I could see Cruz and Grimace make an executive order to defund planned parenthood  though and the std and teen pregnancy rate would immediately skyrocket.
-Dictate morality is a tough one because you can claim that any president would to that, they really don't have a choice. I am not going to pretend where your moral line is and what issues you find important in this realm, I can tell you that Cruz is the only candidate that has the least regard for the separation of church and state.
-No one wants to take away anyone's guns, no one even talks about it. Hillary has the most liberal stance on guns but who are we kidding, the gun lobby is the most powerful in the country. The rights of gun owners has expanded in this country not contracted. Any gun owner worried about anything should probably stop listening to Wayne Lapierre podcasts or whatever.
-I again don't know of a presidential candidate who wouldn't spend some tax dollars, obviously Bernie is the one that is going to spend the most but he is also the only one who has been honest about who he plans to tax. Any candidate that says they won't raise taxes isn't being realistic or is simply lying.
-I don't know if any of the candidates has shown incompetence/willful neglect of national security. There has been only one in the position to do so, Donald seems off the reservation a bit when it comes to national security that's problematic. If you think the email thing was a serious risk to national security then I certainly can't talk you out of that but the government experts don't seem to share that same opinion.


I guess ultimately I have to ask, has there been a president you have liked and if not what has been your issue with the last four our five of them. You seem like a moderate and we've had plenty of moderate presidents. My issue is that I'm not a moderate and I have only had moderate presidents in my lifetime. I guess Ronald was a conservative but that was like 35 years ago so who cares? So I finally have a mainstream liberal candidate so I'm happy. Conservatives are always happy until the nomination is handed out. Mrs. Gooch is there any candidate ever that can make you happy?

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2016, 02:08:30 PM »
The I don't like "forced morality" is a pretty stupid comment to make when talking about government. The laws created by government are essentially the codification of societal morals.

I'm sure this will confuse the unwashed masses, ironically
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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2016, 02:33:56 PM »
I've read several posts here regarding Hillary's handling of classified materials as no big deal.

Well, it is a big deal. Military personnel are held to high standards regarding classified materials. The POTUS or a candidate is expected to uphold those same standards.

For those that don't see the problem, talk to your friends that are active duty with twenty or more years especially those holding an O-4 rank or higher. Some of you are too young to have friends that old. Might have to speak to your parent's friends.

Anyhow, I'll vote for Paul in the primary. We'll see beyond that if he makes the ticket.

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2016, 02:36:08 PM »
I'll vote for sure. I enjoy voting a lot.

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« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2016, 03:18:24 PM »
I've read several posts here regarding Hillary's handling of classified materials as no big deal.

Well, it is a big deal. Military personnel are held to high standards regarding classified materials. The POTUS or a candidate is expected to uphold those same standards.

For those that don't see the problem, talk to your friends that are active duty with twenty or more years especially those holding an O-4 rank or higher. Some of you are too young to have friends that old. Might have to speak to your parent's friends.

Anyhow, I'll vote for Paul in the primary. We'll see beyond that if he makes the ticket.

Rand has zero shot of winning the primary, are you just being loyal to your state?
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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2016, 03:19:44 PM »
I've read several posts here regarding Hillary's handling of classified materials as no big deal.

Well, it is a big deal. Military personnel are held to high standards regarding classified materials. The POTUS or a candidate is expected to uphold those same standards.

For those that don't see the problem, talk to your friends that are active duty with twenty or more years especially those holding an O-4 rank or higher. Some of you are too young to have friends that old. Might have to speak to your parent's friends.

Anyhow, I'll vote for Paul in the primary. We'll see beyond that if he makes the ticket.

Rand has zero shot of winning the primary, are you just being loyal to your state?
Loyal to Rand. I just happened to live here. He's not as far out there as his dad. Really like his position on many things.

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2016, 04:09:11 PM »
any law forces or dictates morality. that's why stealing is illegal.

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2016, 05:36:01 PM »
The I don't like "forced morality" is a pretty stupid comment to make when talking about government. The laws created by government are essentially the codification of societal morals.

I'm sure this will confuse the unwashed masses, ironically

Agreed

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Re: Now it has to be said. Declare your choice for President.
« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2016, 05:42:09 PM »
I've read several posts here regarding Hillary's handling of classified materials as no big deal.

Well, it is a big deal. Military personnel are held to high standards regarding classified materials. The POTUS or a candidate is expected to uphold those same standards.

For those that don't see the problem, talk to your friends that are active duty with twenty or more years especially those holding an O-4 rank or higher. Some of you are too young to have friends that old. Might have to speak to your parent's friends.

Anyhow, I'll vote for Paul in the primary. We'll see beyond that if he makes the ticket.

I don't understand what the military has to do with anything. Hilary wasn't the commander in chief when she used a private server. Also I take exception to people acting like she was sending classified messages via hotmail. I will continue to take my cues on how to feel about this from the people investigating it.

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« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2016, 05:56:10 PM »
any law forces or dictates morality. that's why stealing is illegal.

Stealing has a victim. Drug use would have been a better example.

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« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2016, 06:06:54 PM »
any law forces or dictates morality. that's why stealing is illegal.

Stealing has a victim. Drug use would have been a better example.

Yes, the things I don't want dictated are who a person can marry, what they put into their own body (junk food, drugs,penises, whatever), etc.

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« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2016, 06:22:55 PM »
any law forces or dictates morality. that's why stealing is illegal.

Stealing has a victim. Drug use would have been a better example.

Yes, the things I don't want dictated are who a person can marry, what they put into their own body (junk food, drugs,penises, whatever), etc.

yeah i should've used drugs