Making a Murderer: You be the judge. (Spoilers)

[TownieCat]

The 2nd and 3rd points in your 7th reason only imply that Avery was really dumb about committing murder, not that he was incapable of it.

I binged watch the entire series in about 48 hours over the weekend and then read some articles afterwards. I think that Avery did it, but the county and state conducted an unfair trial. It also didn't help that everyone in Wisconsin knew his background, so there was a low probability of finding an unbiased jury.

Also, I'm not entirely sure how this works, but Brendan should have plead insanity or something. The kid was obviously manipulated into a confession by the prosecution.

[OK_Cat]

I think that Avery is a shitty person and obviously not a smart man, but the evidence doesn't add up.

Those defense attorneys, though....wow, dreamboats. <3

[Dr Rick Daris]

^tldnr

yeah I didn't read the whole thing either. cut and past from comments. I'd like to see one of the aver haters (chicat, etc) argue it though because it started out pretty good.

Don't read the ending - it is revealed that he thinks Avery is innocent because there are smarter ways he could've committed the crime.  Implying that anyone in that family would make consistently smart choices is absolutely absurd.

well he was consistently smart in somehow finding out ways to get rid of every single shred of the victim's blood and dna that was at some point in time all over his house and garage. he also managed to completely erase her dna off of the key fob. so since he was able to somehow do all this, I don't think it's crazy to expect him to crush the car in the crusher instead of hiding it with a couple of tree limbs or incinerate the body in his incinerator instead of a fire in his backyard or and I don't know, I'm just spitballing here, maybe wipe off the large amount of his blood that was right next to her key ignition. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

so there was a low probability of finding an unbiased jury.

given that one of the jury members was the father of Manitowoc County Sheriff's deputy, I'd have to agree

[TownieCat]

^tldnr

yeah I didn't read the whole thing either. cut and past from comments. I'd like to see one of the aver haters (chicat, etc) argue it though because it started out pretty good.

Don't read the ending - it is revealed that he thinks Avery is innocent because there are smarter ways he could've committed the crime.  Implying that anyone in that family would make consistently smart choices is absolutely absurd.

well he was consistently smart in somehow finding out ways to get rid of every single shred of the victim's blood and dna that was at some point in time all over his house and garage. he also managed to completely erase her dna off of the key fob. so since he was able to somehow do all this, I don't think it's crazy to expect him to crush the car in the crusher instead of hiding it with a couple of tree limbs or incinerate the body in his incinerator instead of a fire in his backyard or and I don't know, I'm just spitballing here, maybe wipe off the large amount of his blood that was right next to her key ignition. 

I'm not a murderer, so I usually don't try to think like one, but why didn't he just throw the key into the nearest body of water? Google tells me that Wisconsin has over 15,000 lakes.

[Shooter Jones]

^tldnr

yeah I didn't read the whole thing either. cut and past from comments. I'd like to see one of the aver haters (chicat, etc) argue it though because it started out pretty good.

Don't read the ending - it is revealed that he thinks Avery is innocent because there are smarter ways he could've committed the crime.  Implying that anyone in that family would make consistently smart choices is absolutely absurd.

well he was consistently smart in somehow finding out ways to get rid of every single shred of the victim's blood and dna that was at some point in time all over his house and garage. he also managed to completely erase her dna off of the key fob. so since he was able to somehow do all this, I don't think it's crazy to expect him to crush the car in the crusher instead of hiding it with a couple of tree limbs or incinerate the body in his incinerator instead of a fire in his backyard or and I don't know, I'm just spitballing here, maybe wipe off the large amount of his blood that was right next to her key ignition. 

I'm not a murderer, so I usually don't try to think like one, but why didn't he just throw the key into the nearest body of water? Google tells me that Wisconsin has over 15,000 lakes.

I mean, maybe I heard wrong, but didn't they say there wasn't a single other persons finger print or DNA on the key? That's pretty lol'y.

[Cire]

Brenden should have been not guilty

Steven should have had a mistrial/hung jury.

[Dr Rick Daris]

^tldnr

yeah I didn't read the whole thing either. cut and past from comments. I'd like to see one of the aver haters (chicat, etc) argue it though because it started out pretty good.

Don't read the ending - it is revealed that he thinks Avery is innocent because there are smarter ways he could've committed the crime.  Implying that anyone in that family would make consistently smart choices is absolutely absurd.

well he was consistently smart in somehow finding out ways to get rid of every single shred of the victim's blood and dna that was at some point in time all over his house and garage. he also managed to completely erase her dna off of the key fob. so since he was able to somehow do all this, I don't think it's crazy to expect him to crush the car in the crusher instead of hiding it with a couple of tree limbs or incinerate the body in his incinerator instead of a fire in his backyard or and I don't know, I'm just spitballing here, maybe wipe off the large amount of his blood that was right next to her key ignition. 

I'm not a murderer, so I usually don't try to think like one, but why didn't he just throw the key into the nearest body of water? Google tells me that Wisconsin has over 15,000 lakes.

I mean, maybe I heard wrong, but didn't they say there wasn't a single other persons finger print or DNA on the key? That's pretty lol'y.

yeah. his dna was the only dna, so he apparently scrubbed the key and key fob completely clean and then put it inside of his house because yeah, that's something someone would do.

[Dr Rick Daris]

oh hey there I got this key and key chain that belongs to the girls car on my property who I just murdered so I'm going to do a great job of completely ridding it of every shred of dna and then I'm going to go put it in my bedroom. um, yeah ok.

[Emo EMAW]

maybe he was in the post-coitus IDGAF stage (don't care had sex)

[BW]

http://brobible.com/entertainment/article/making-a-murderer-theory-explains-colborns-call/

Fairly close to my theory. Colburn's face an hair are enraging.

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[Dub]

The lack of blood anywhere in the garage/apartment and the blood in the back of the car are the biggest WTF for me.

[Dr Rick Daris]

The lack of blood anywhere in the garage/apartment and the blood in the back of the car are the biggest WTF for me.

he obviously killed her in the garage or house and then put her in the back of the vehicle for some reason and then put her in the burn pit ten feet from his house and burned her. then he parked her car on his property, made no real attempt to hide it, unhooked the car battery and did all of this without leaving a single fingerprint anywhere on/in the vehicle, but did leave some of his blood in obvious easy to see places. then he went back to the house and miraculously figured a way to rid his house and garage of every single shred of her dna, blood, hair, etc. then her took her keychain, cleaned it completely to rid it of her dna and finshed off by laying the recently cleaned key chain on the floor out in the open where it could easily be spotted except for the fact that it was not found by the other three police departments that checked the house and was only noticed when one of the Manitowoc guys, who was not even supposed to be there, was left alone.

[Kat Kid]

The lesson here is don't get accused of murder because reasonable doubt is a very good album and a very scary proposition in front of a jury.

[kso_FAN]

I finished it last weekend. Interesting story. I do enjoy listening to his defense attorneys, they are on a lot of podcasts on itunes and I listened to a bunch. I also listened to the "Rebutting a Murderer" podcast put together by one of the guys that covered the trial.

I tend to agree that he could be a pretty bad person that has been wrongly convicted twice. Unfortunately the general lack of intelligence from him and his entire family doesn't help with the perception of his innocence if I'm being completely honest. I lean toward the brother of his nephew and the other guy that went hunting to be good suspects.

Also, this guy has a crazy theory that's kind of interesting: http://coldcasecameron.com/

[AbeFroman]

I stumbled on the follow up story on ID last night. The best part was when they said Brad Dassey (Brenden's half brother) made a song to support Steve/Brenden. Incredible is an understatement.

https://m.soundcloud.com/braddasseymusic/brad-dassey-they-didnt-do-it

[pissclams]

ran to minnesota, give the guy a soda

[kso_FAN]

I don't like to be mean, but I don't think this family's tree has a lot of forks in it. Doesn't make them guilty, but still...

[ChiComCat]

The lack of blood anywhere in the garage/apartment and the blood in the back of the car are the biggest WTF for me.

he obviously killed her in the garage or house and then put her in the back of the vehicle for some reason and then put her in the burn pit ten feet from his house and burned her. then he parked her car on his property, made no real attempt to hide it, unhooked the car battery and did all of this without leaving a single fingerprint anywhere on/in the vehicle, but did leave some of his blood in obvious easy to see places. then he went back to the house and miraculously figured a way to rid his house and garage of every single shred of her dna, blood, hair, etc. then her took her keychain, cleaned it completely to rid it of her dna and finshed off by laying the recently cleaned key chain on the floor out in the open where it could easily be spotted except for the fact that it was not found by the other three police departments that checked the house and was only noticed when one of the Manitowoc guys, who was not even supposed to be there, was left alone.

Meh, he killed her on a tarp or something.  I think the cops likely planted evidence but I still think he's guilty.  Anyways, if he wanted to look like he was framed, crushing the car isn't the best option.

[Cire]

There is no way that they cleaned all the physical evidence in the house based on the prosecution story of how the murder happened.

If they say that she had her throat cut and was shot in the home Steven effing Avery didn't clean all that crap up.

[kso_FAN]

Sorry wacky, I missed your Ed Edwards link when I posted the same.

[ChiComCat]

There is no way that they cleaned all the physical evidence in the house based on the prosecution story of how the murder happened.

If they say that she had her throat cut and was shot in the home Steven effing Avery didn't clean all that crap up.

In all honestly, I think he likely killed her some other place.  The bullet muddied this a bit but I think that was planted

[kso_FAN]

Kachinsky is definitely the least likable guy. Even more than Kratz. JMHO.

[meow meow]

Kachinsky might be a scum bag, but Kratz is easily the least likable guy, and his voice haunts my dreams.

[pissclams]

they're all inbreds up there, none of them are likable
it's why they continue to live in Manitowoc County, Wis, they have no other choice.  their bad genes have chosen the place where they live.  just too damn dumb to move somewhere livable.