Doug Gottlieb on 810 WHB The Program with Soren Petro

[EMAWican]

  at a oscar team winning a road NCAA tourney game.

It's all neutral, dummy.

How well have those road neutral games worked out for oscar NCAA teams?

[420seriouscat69]

He's currently 0-2 with K-State, emawican. This year he's like 3-1 or maybe 2-1 and just beat a top 5 team on the road this last Saturday.  One of the teams he lost to in the tourney made it all the way to the Championship too!

[0.42]

oscar is doing performing as well as any reasonable person would have expected him to. He's going nowhere, but I did enjoy that recap very much.

The infuriating thing is that everyone here yelled and screamed a bunch about how bad this hire was when it happened and precisely why it pissed us off and it has played to almost our exact expectations and everyone doesn't know how to respond because everyone is pretty much right where they thought and people that were ok with oscar are like "we are who we are" and they have no imagination to see a better alternative or a better future. It is infuriating.

I've checked out for the most part after following the program very closely because of exactly what you just described. The past 4 years has made it clear that my opinion falls within a powerless minority and that continuing to rage against the current program structure is a pointless and frustrating waste of my time. I'm not saying this to brag about how much I don't care, because I truly wish that I could buy in again. But I'm not going to compromise my expectations of a winning culture to do that. It's also clear that Currie did what he did to try and purge the fanbase of its edgier side (i.e. us) and consolidate his power base by creating a totally compliant and docile fan culture that cements his job security. That's fine, if he doesn't want our participation then we certainly have no obligation whatsoever to pay attention.

I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.

Those wins are nice, but they comprise outlying data points in a longer trend of oscar's established mediocrity throughout his P5 career. Until the trend reverses, it's hard to get too excited.

['taterblast]

Soren is being a total stud

https://twitter.com/SorenPetro/status/829348119024386049

[EMAWican]

He's currently 0-2 with K-State, emawican. This year he's like 3-1 or maybe 2-1 and just beat a top 5 team on the road this last Saturday.  One of the teams he lost to in the tourney made it all the way to the Championship too!

You're right, this is the year that it all turns around. Years of mentality and coaching personality that has been ingrained by/in oscar is going out the window and they're going to get in the tourney and win one!

[420seriouscat69]

I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow

[0.42]

I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow

And if he can produce at a similar clip with his own players then I'll be willing to change my tune.

[420seriouscat69]

I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow

And if he can produce at a similar clip with his own players then I'll be willing to change my tune.

Me too. I want to give him one last chance to prove us wrong and then i'll turn full #BID after that. The tourney is my favorite sports event and it's much better when my team is it and winning.

['taterblast]

I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow

you can't ignore that he has won ONE tourney game in the past 11 seasons.

even if we win one this year, it will be an upset/fluke and that is not reason enough to keep him imo.

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KSU bought the 8th place bed and now must sleep in it.

it is very satisfying when people get what they deserve.

Big fan of justice.

Totally.  We deserve every single bit of this.

The american legal system should be modeled after how god is adjudicating this situation.

[420seriouscat69]

I'll put $ on it, EMAWican. This pouty schtick gets old. But yes, we have 2 data points that show he's been unsuccessful in the tournament under us. Before that he had: 2 sweet 16's, made the national title game and made the round of 32 two times. #TheMoreYouKNow

you can't ignore that he has won ONE tourney game in the past 11 seasons.

even if we win one this year, it will be an upset/fluke and that is not reason enough to keep him imo.

That's fair. The only loss in the tourney that pisses me off really is La Salle tho. If he losses again, then i'll move on and be pissed at Currie if he doesn't do anything.

[catastrophe]

The risk is falling into the mindset that oscar can build this team up into a Tournament level team. The standard should be building it into an elite 8 or final four team. We have a team that by all appearances could make a deep run in 2 years. If oscar can't get them there, he should go.

[sonofdaxjones]

I can easily see another 4 or 5 losses on the remaining schedule given the way this team has played and how this team is mostly a disaster at the end of close games (which is derived directly from Oscar).

[Tobias]

wacky, you and i are old af and only one coach has even won a tornament game in our sentient lives.  you should hope for something better than this.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I can easily see another 4 or 5 losses on the remaining schedule given the way this team has played and how this team is mostly a disaster at the end of close games (which is derived directly from Oscar).

Yeah, I'm not sure this is a tournament team, either. We still have @WVU, @TCU, @OU, and OSU has been playing pretty good basketball.

[star seed 7]

We beat Baylor tho!!!!

[#LIFE]

I miss sweating our matchups in the torn-a-ment, not our inclusion 

[pvegs]

I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.

we did everything possible to piss that game away and baylor played their worst game of the year. it was not sign of improvement or portent of a possible tourney run, but an outlier, a singular, fortunate win. those are the reasons "it didn't raise a pulse."

['taterblast]

we've beaten good teams every year oscar has been here. he is capable of beating good teams. these things are true.

[kso_FAN]

I can understand disliking a coach, but I guess I don't see how some of you can't raise a pulse after Saturday's road win. It makes me day dream of kicking some blue bloods ass in the tourney. I'm totally aware that Weber has unperformed there at K-State too. I guess I just kinda zone him out and focus on the players that I like.

we did everything possible to piss that game away and baylor played their worst game of the year. it was not sign of improvement or portent of a possible tourney run, but an outlier, a singular, fortunate win. those are the reasons "it didn't raise a pulse."

IMO, giving qualifiers for a great win is BS. We played great basketball to get that lead. Of course it would have been nice to maintain and finish with a 10 point win, but we (Stokes) still made plays after the under 4 to win it. It doesn't matter if its pretty, ugly or whatever, no one should ever be disappointed in beating a Top 10 team on their home floor. I don't care how much you hate the coach.

Plus its not a complete outlier, we have 2 top 10 wins this season, something that not many teams can say. Its the losses like Maryland, TCU, ISU, and Tennessee that are frustrating, but those don't erase 2 really good wins for me.

[420seriouscat69]

"Baylor played their worst game of the year" is such a weak take. Like discarding K-State and/ or oscar had anything to do with it.

[kslim]

"Baylor played their worst game of the year" is such a weak take. Like discarding K-State and/ or oscar had anything to do with it.

yeah but that works both ways, we played very well in the first half and its painfully obvious that when a coach makes adjustments oscar cant. its why we have lost so many games when we had big leads in the first half....

look wacky i, like others have said appreciate your opportunistic outlook but the trend is bad and only looking worse imho.

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Shout to ou and ku for also beating top 10 teams' asses the same week ksu did.  The 3 big 8 bluebloods did a number on wv and baylor those weeks.

[Ptolemy]

Amusing to read how Oscar and his minions point to the Baylor win as a solid resume enhancer, yet in reality, the team collapsed in the second half, losing a 19 point lead and had Motley simply gathered himself on the lob play and dunked the ball instead of leaving a short lay-in, he'd have likely been fouled and got to the line for the win. Oscar likes to point to the "4 plays from being undefeated" well...that philosophy goes both ways. We would ALL be in BID mode if we were 4-7 right now.

[Dr Rick Daris]

oscar is sixty, has won 1 tournament game in the last 11 years and some of you still want more data before coming to a conclusion about him.