Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[CNS]

If I was a gun manufacturer,  or even the NRA, I would be funding democrats with all my money. 

[MakeItRain]

All of the republican candidates falling in line and bowing to their daddy, the nra, is embarrassing. The coming executive order is unbelievably tame and toothless yet they are falling all over themselves to make sure they ramp up the rhetoric and keep daddies money flowing. What a joke, all the way around BTW.

[Emo EMAW]

Kinda hard to blame them considering how many seats the D's lost in the House/Senate the last time this crap rolled around.

[Pendergast]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

[Institutional Control]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

A single digit percentage would be several people, right?


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[MakeItRain]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

[Emo EMAW]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

[MakeItRain]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

[Emo EMAW]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

I absolutely know what it is.  Answer the question. 

[MakeItRain]

God I hate Ted Cruz so much. Either he isn't nearly as smart as the pubs say he is or he's intentionally playing to a large segment of morons by lying which would be at odds with his supposed evangelical background. He called the executive order an abuse of his executive power. Wut? The powers granted to a president that allows for an executive order is in rough ridin' article 2 of the constitution. Every republican candidate that whines about executive orders should be asked by the media if they will pledge to not use an executive order.

He also said that the order infringes on the second amendment rights of Americans what a pandering dope, and general piece of crap. He's got the political game down, he's like every bad parody of a republican presidential candidate. Do he had Hillary have the same advisors?

[MakeItRain]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

I absolutely know what it is.  Answer the question.

I don't know how either of us could know that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point with me though, on this very page I caked the executive order unbelievably tame and toothless.

[Emo EMAW]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

I absolutely know what it is.  Answer the question.

I don't know how either of us could know that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point with me though, on this very page I caked the executive order unbelievably tame and toothless.

earliest tapout I've ever seen from MIR 

[ednksu]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

I absolutely know what it is.  Answer the question.

I don't know how either of us could know that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point with me though, on this very page I caked the executive order unbelievably tame and toothless.

earliest tapout I've ever seen from MIR 

Virginia Tech is the point here.

[MakeItRain]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

I absolutely know what it is.  Answer the question.

I don't know how either of us could know that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point with me though, on this very page I caked the executive order unbelievably tame and toothless.

earliest tapout I've ever seen from MIR 

How the eff is that a tapout, you really think that is a yes/no answer? Is it possible that someone in the middle of a bipolar episode could walk into a retailer and immediately walk out with a gun, sure it's possible, no crap. That's obvious, what's your angle here? It seems to me that you don't think this order is worth much either so what are we talking about here?

[Emo EMAW]

It's amazing how little the average person cares to observe an issue from multiple view points.  I wonder how many fewer shootings we'll have after we limit the number of guns sold at gun shows, by a single digit percentage at best.  The support of wasted time, is nothing more.

It has no effect on anyone who lawfully wants to acquire a firearm. Gun people always spout the stupid crap about the good guys having guns but don't want to do a damn thing about ensuring exactly that happens. Without research I can think of two mass shootings committed by mentally handicapped citizens with guns purchased at gun shows, if you don't think the law is worth it to even save one life then we need to have a different conversation.

  Are you suggesting those two people couldn't have also purchased them from a Cabela's?

Do you not know what the gun show loophole is?

I absolutely know what it is.  Answer the question.

I don't know how either of us could know that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point with me though, on this very page I caked the executive order unbelievably tame and toothless.

earliest tapout I've ever seen from MIR 

How the eff is that a tapout, you really think that is a yes/no answer? Is it possible that someone in the middle of a bipolar episode could walk into a retailer and immediately walk out with a gun, sure it's possible, no crap. That's obvious, what's your angle here? It seems to me that you don't think this order is worth much either so what are we talking about here?

My point is that this executive action is stupid, a waste of time, a subversion of the process, and will probably have a net negative impact (if not zero).

[MakeItRain]

I agree that it doesn't go far enough I'd love to hear more about it subverting the process and it having a net negative impact.

[Emo EMAW]

 

[MakeItRain]

Speaking of tapouts, wow, just an emoticon huh?

[Emo EMAW]

You made a strawman argument.  To me it's obvious you don't want to discuss this.  You'd rather put words in peoples' mouths.

[sonofdaxjones]

What I enjoy is the lemming parrot ProgLibs who spew forth little bullet points of semi factoids all the time and somehow think that matches reality. 

This is just meaningless feel goodism to save a legacy of an overall awful presidency. 

[MakeItRain]

You made a strawman argument.  To me it's obvious you don't want to discuss this.  You'd rather put words in peoples' mouths.

WTF? I put words in your mouth by asking you to clarify your positions? Yeah, we're definitely done here.

[SkinnyBenny]

What I enjoy is the lemming parrot ProgLibs who spew forth little bullet points of semi factoids all the time and somehow think that matches reality. 

This is just meaningless feel goodism to save a legacy of an overall awful presidency.

2 terms. Re-elected in a near landslide.   <---one for each presidential election won

[DQ12]

Apparently these aren't even executive orders.  Interesting legal discussion on the issue:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/01/05/new-atf-guidance-on-gun-sales-is-legally-meaningless-or-else-it-would-be-unlawful/

[sonofdaxjones]

That really doesn't mean anything.  Richard Nixon won the '72 election in one of the biggest electoral landslides in history.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

All I've garnered from this discussion is that our president still doesn't understand how laws are made and enforced in this country.  How is this news?