Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[Dugout DickStone]

Why did these muslims choose a Christmas party to do their deed?   Obama, I thought you said we should not be afraid of Muslim women entering the United States.

Who said it was a Christmas party?

Holiday party.

That's not a Christmas party.

[Emo EMAW]

4th amendment doesn't have a huge lobby that could lose a lot of money if it's changed/ignored.

this is stupid and lazy.  the nra isn't a moneyed interest.  they have money because gun ownership is something that is important to a relatively large number of people in this country.  the money is following the opinion, not the other way around.

the NRA receives significant funding from the firearm industry

Wonder where the firearm industry gets that money? 

[sys]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

whoever (john doug?) said yesterday that this incident was odd was right.  publicity hungry lunatic murderers plan things out more than this seems to have been, disgruntled worker lunatic murderers don't go get their wife to help with the killing when they snap, islamist terrorists don't target some random building in podunkville suburbia just because it happens to have been where they were employed.

[star seed 7]

4th amendment doesn't have a huge lobby that could lose a lot of money if it's changed/ignored.

this is stupid and lazy.  the nra isn't a moneyed interest.  they have money because gun ownership is something that is important to a relatively large number of people in this country.  the money is following the opinion, not the other way around.

the NRA receives significant funding from the firearm industry

Wonder where the firearm industry gets that money? 

Fleecing dumbo gun nuts

[star seed 7]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

whoever (john doug?) said yesterday that this incident was odd was right.  publicity hungry lunatic murderers plan things out more than this seems to have been, disgruntled worker lunatic murderers don't go get their wife to help with the killing when they snap, islamist terrorists don't target some random building in podunkville suburbia just because it happens to have been where they were employed.

And doing basically nothing to try and escape. Really odd all around

[sys]

the NRA receives significant funding from the firearm industry

[CNS]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

whoever (john doug?) said yesterday that this incident was odd was right.  publicity hungry lunatic murderers plan things out more than this seems to have been, disgruntled worker lunatic murderers don't go get their wife to help with the killing when they snap, islamist terrorists don't target some random building in podunkville suburbia just because it happens to have been where they were employed.

It would kind of make sense that this is what happened if: 1. shooter was part of an isolated cell.  I have heard radio interviews where Homeland ppl say that these type of cells aren't connected to larger plans, just trained and sent out to cause an incindent to incite fear.  and 2. I have also heard interviews by govt ppl saying that ISIS seems to want to plan attacks that are somewhat random seeming.  They want to maximize the feeling of insecurity, and evidently feel like attacking what seems like random targets, rather than just a bunch of military/govt related stuff, would do that.

[CNS]

the NRA receives significant funding from the firearm industry

I assume that Smith and Wesson, etc are "members" of the NRA.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

whoever (john doug?) said yesterday that this incident was odd was right.  publicity hungry lunatic murderers plan things out more than this seems to have been, disgruntled worker lunatic murderers don't go get their wife to help with the killing when they snap, islamist terrorists don't target some random building in podunkville suburbia just because it happens to have been where they were employed.

And doing basically nothing to try and escape. Really odd all around

Why is it so odd to think that this was a combination of radical Islam-induced terrorist attack with a workplace grievance? Is that really so hard to believe?

[MakeItRain]

Maybe I'm being hard on religion

I mean you only have the entire history of the world as evidence of the brutality of religion.

[sys]

YES!  My favorite gun control idea is regulating ammunition and not guns.

still one of the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) things a generally smart poster has ever posted.

[star seed 7]

My dad def paid more than 35 a year, he quit because it was like 500 or something

[Dugout DickStone]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

whoever (john doug?) said yesterday that this incident was odd was right.  publicity hungry lunatic murderers plan things out more than this seems to have been, disgruntled worker lunatic murderers don't go get their wife to help with the killing when they snap, islamist terrorists don't target some random building in podunkville suburbia just because it happens to have been where they were employed.

And doing basically nothing to try and escape. Really odd all around

Why is it so odd to think that this was a combination of radical Islam-induced terrorist attack with a workplace grievance? Is that really so hard to believe?

I believe it was totally this.  Like, I am pretty 100% sure

[DQ12]

can someone explain to me why the distinction between "holiday party" and "christmas party" really matters?

@sys

it appears i was mistaken -- the business insider article i read seems to have overstated the amount contributed by the firearm industry.  the article from which you got your chart (quora?) estimates that roughly 13% comes from the gun industry, which isn't "nothing," but is much less than i assumed.

[CNS]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

They do their best to avoid saying it (as usual), but they were radicalized Islamic Terrorists.    They'll fall all over themselves to blame it on the workplace, but they clearly had this all planned out and were just waiting for their moment.

whoever (john doug?) said yesterday that this incident was odd was right.  publicity hungry lunatic murderers plan things out more than this seems to have been, disgruntled worker lunatic murderers don't go get their wife to help with the killing when they snap, islamist terrorists don't target some random building in podunkville suburbia just because it happens to have been where they were employed.

And doing basically nothing to try and escape. Really odd all around

Why is it so odd to think that this was a combination of radical Islam-induced terrorist attack with a workplace grievance? Is that really so hard to believe?

I believe it was totally this.  Like, I am pretty 100% sure

Well, yeah.  I mean, if your plan is to shoot up a bunch of ppl to incite fear, and you find yourself working in a huge building with a bunch of ppl you hate doing a job you grew to hate, it seems like a pretty obvious solution.

[DQ12]

YES!  My favorite gun control idea is regulating ammunition and not guns.

still one of the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) things a generally smart poster has ever posted.

it's a wacky idea!  guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

[Emo EMAW]

the NRA receives significant funding from the firearm industry

I assume that Smith and Wesson, etc are "members" of the NRA.

The NRA has 5 million members.  Membership dues are ~$35/year.  I'm not mocat but the math seems to check out.

[sys]

I assume that Smith and Wesson, etc are "members" of the NRA.

they are organizational donors.

[CNS]

can someone explain to me why the distinction between "holiday party" and "christmas party" really matters?

@sys

it appears i was mistaken -- the business insider article i read seems to have overstated the amount contributed by the firearm industry.  the article from which you got your chart (quora?) estimates that roughly 13% comes from the gun industry, which isn't "nothing," but is much less than i assumed.

Holy crap!  Is there a better investment return for donation dollars in any other industry?  That seems about as no-brainer as it gets for manufactures.

[Emo EMAW]

My dad def paid more than 35 a year, he quit because it was like 500 or something

You can get a lifetime for $500 I bet.  As long as I've been a member it's always $35/year, but they do run 2 year specials sometimes.  Like 2 years for $50.

[sys]

Why is it so odd to think that this was a combination of radical Islam-induced terrorist attack with a workplace grievance? Is that really so hard to believe?

it's not hard to believe, since it apparently just happened.  it's just unusual.

[Emo EMAW]

can someone explain to me why the distinction between "holiday party" and "christmas party" really matters?

@sys

it appears i was mistaken -- the business insider article i read seems to have overstated the amount contributed by the firearm industry.  the article from which you got your chart (quora?) estimates that roughly 13% comes from the gun industry, which isn't "nothing," but is much less than i assumed.

Holy crap!  Is there a better investment return for donation dollars in any other industry?  That seems about as no-brainer as it gets for manufactures.

You should investigate the calculated ROI on Pittman Robertson Act:

"One study showed an extremely high Return on Investment for firearm manufacturers; 823% to 1588% depending on the year.[8]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act

[star seed 7]

5 million people holding up civilized progress. That's America tho I guess

[sys]

It would kind of make sense that this is what happened if: 1. shooter was part of an isolated cell.  I have heard radio interviews where Homeland ppl say that these type of cells aren't connected to larger plans, just trained and sent out to cause an incindent to incite fear.  and 2. I have also heard interviews by govt ppl saying that ISIS seems to want to plan attacks that are somewhat random seeming.  They want to maximize the feeling of insecurity, and evidently feel like attacking what seems like random targets, rather than just a bunch of military/govt related stuff, would do that.

nope, doesn't make sense.  driving into la and shooting people somewhere where lots of people congregate makes sense.  shooting coworkers in a conference room in some random health center in san bernadino doesn't terrify anyone out of traveling, using mass transit, taking a vacation to an urban center, going to restaurants, sports events, concerts, etc.

[sys]

5 million people holding up civilized progress. That's America tho I guess

i admire them so much.