Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[Emo EMAW]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Ownership is the right.  No specifics about type, quantity, etc.

I don't think the founding fathers intended the "militia" to be fighting with pitchforks and broom handles.

[DQ12]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Are bullets covered in 2a?

YES!  My favorite gun control idea is regulating ammunition and not guns. 

[ednksu]

There's knockoffs, counterfeits, look-a-likes available in nearly every product under the sun.   

I can buy a car in California, drive across state lines, take off one part, drive back into California and the car is now illegal in California.    But I can find a way to skirt the law for years, if not forever.   But I still have an illegal car by California Law, as they define what is or isn't a legal car.

look at these "knockoff, counterfeit, look a like bushmaster bushmasters. 
good grief......
https://www.impactguns.com/bushmaster-patrolman-ar15-a3-223556-ca-legas-16in-wa3-carry-handle-bullet-button-10-round-fixed-ca.aspx

[star seed 7]

How often would mass shootings occur if we had no gun regulations (none)?

[Dugout DickStone]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

A right to be well regulated.

That's the Old Testament of 2a

[sonofdaxjones]

There's knockoffs, counterfeits, look-a-likes available in nearly every product under the sun.   

I can buy a car in California, drive across state lines, take off one part, drive back into California and the car is now illegal in California.    But I can find a way to skirt the law for years, if not forever.   But I still have an illegal car by California Law, as they define what is or isn't a legal car.

look at these "knockoff, counterfeit, look a like bushmaster bushmasters. 
good grief......
https://www.impactguns.com/bushmaster-patrolman-ar15-a3-223556-ca-legas-16in-wa3-carry-handle-bullet-button-10-round-fixed-ca.aspx

What you're too stupid to get, is that you implied that there were no laws banning AR and AK weapons sales in California . . . there clearly is, marketing names and slogans that manufacturers have given to things are only material to the discussion as it pertains to the need to expand laws that you claimed didn't exist.

[star seed 7]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

A right to be well regulated.

That's the Old Testament of 2a

lol

[Emo EMAW]

How often would mass shootings occur if we had no gun regulations (none)?

Laffer Curve type situation here.

[CNS]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

[ednksu]

There's knockoffs, counterfeits, look-a-likes available in nearly every product under the sun.   

I can buy a car in California, drive across state lines, take off one part, drive back into California and the car is now illegal in California.    But I can find a way to skirt the law for years, if not forever.   But I still have an illegal car by California Law, as they define what is or isn't a legal car.

look at these "knockoff, counterfeit, look a like bushmaster bushmasters. 
good grief......
https://www.impactguns.com/bushmaster-patrolman-ar15-a3-223556-ca-legas-16in-wa3-carry-handle-bullet-button-10-round-fixed-ca.aspx

What you're too stupid to get, is that you implied that there were no laws banning AR and AK weapons sales in California . . . there clearly is, marketing names and slogans that manufacturers have given to things are only material to the discussion as it pertains to the need to expand laws that you claimed didn't exist.

Dax the problem is that you posted something that was false and you wont admit it.  You said all AR types were illegal.  You were wrong, got called on it, and are now doubling, no, septupling down because you're too pig headed to say I'm wrong and move on, or at least let this die.  I never would have been so ignorant to make the claims you are now deflecting with. Those are windmills of your own invention, sorry.  I'm not responsible for your delusional ramblings.

[star seed 7]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Uh oh, CNS....

[CNS]

Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, fired between 65 and 75 rifle rounds during the shooting at a county health department holiday party, then unloaded about that number in a later confrontation with police.

That is a lot of fast reloading of the old 6 shooter.  There are a lot of things that could have changed if they had to reload 11-13 times.

[CNS]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Uh oh, CNS....

Not exactly what I was talking about, unless more comes out. 

[Emo EMAW]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Yeesh.  Not good.  The alternative (lone wolf) wasn't good either, I guess.

[Dugout DickStone]

Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, fired between 65 and 75 rifle rounds during the shooting at a county health department holiday party, then unloaded about that number in a later confrontation with police.

That is a lot of fast reloading of the old 6 shooter.  There are a lot of things that could have changed if they had to reload 11-13 times.

True but if they were in the California militia fighting oppression by the King, you'd be damn thankful.

[sonofdaxjones]

There's knockoffs, counterfeits, look-a-likes available in nearly every product under the sun.   

I can buy a car in California, drive across state lines, take off one part, drive back into California and the car is now illegal in California.    But I can find a way to skirt the law for years, if not forever.   But I still have an illegal car by California Law, as they define what is or isn't a legal car.

look at these "knockoff, counterfeit, look a like bushmaster bushmasters. 
good grief......
https://www.impactguns.com/bushmaster-patrolman-ar15-a3-223556-ca-legas-16in-wa3-carry-handle-bullet-button-10-round-fixed-ca.aspx

What you're too stupid to get, is that you implied that there were no laws banning AR and AK weapons sales in California . . . there clearly is, marketing names and slogans that manufacturers have given to things are only material to the discussion as it pertains to the need to expand laws that you claimed didn't exist.

Dax the problem is that you posted something that was false and you wont admit it.  You said all AR types were illegal.  You were wrong, got called on it, and are now doubling, no, septupling down because you're too pig headed to say I'm wrong and move on, or at least let this die.  I never would have been so ignorant to make the claims you are now deflecting with. Those are windmills of your own invention, sorry.  I'm not responsible for your delusional ramblings.

AR and AK assault weapons as defined by the California Legislature are illegal in California.  As of now, the California Legislature does not define these loophole weapons as assault weapons, AR and AK weapons as originally designed were assault weapons and are illegal in California.  We can only go by the laws that exist on the books.     I can make a watch that looks like a Tag Heuer, put a Tag Heuer logo on it, but that doesn't make it a Tag Heuer watch. 

[star seed 7]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Uh oh, CNS....

Not exactly what I was talking about, unless more comes out.

Dax will probably start yelling soon because you posted the most important part of the article 

[sonofdaxjones]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Uh oh, CNS....

Not exactly what I was talking about, unless more comes out.

Dax will probably start yelling soon because you posted the most important part of the article 

You're a strange dude.

[CNS]

CNN:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Uh oh, CNS....

Not exactly what I was talking about, unless more comes out.

Dax will probably start yelling soon because you posted the most important part of the article 

Has that been a thing?  My scroll wheel....

[OK_Cat]

The gun control issue really does a good job of separating intelligent people from the gun nuts.

[Emo EMAW]

edn, dax, FWIW the manufacturers of these guns, both California legal and not, don't even call them assault rifles.  They are "modern sporting rifles."  An assault rifle is carbine length or shorter, shooting a rifle cartridge (tapered, necked down), and capable of fully automatic and/or burst fire. 

[Dugout DickStone]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Ownership is the right.  No specifics about type, quantity, etc.

I don't think the founding fathers intended the "militia" to be fighting with pitchforks and broom handles.

They intended 55 round mags with parabellums?

[sonofdaxjones]

The gun control issue really does a good job of separating intelligent people from the gun nuts.

In my case, I support the ban on assault weapons and closing the loopholes.   But the simple facts are, California has  banned assault weapons and it was taken all the way to the Supreme Court.    The weapons that the state of California has deemed as assault weapons are illegal to sell.   At this time, loophole or knockoffs are not legally defined as assault weapons in California.   

I got it Emo . . .

[Emo EMAW]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Ownership is the right.  No specifics about type, quantity, etc.

I don't think the founding fathers intended the "militia" to be fighting with pitchforks and broom handles.

They intended 55 round mags with parabellums?

What is a parabellum?

[star seed 7]

The gun control issue really does a good job of separating intelligent people from the gun nuts.

Guy on the radio this morning was trying to argue why "liberals" are dumb for wanting to restrict people on terrorist watch lists from buying guns