Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[SkinnyBenny]

You can be for gun control and also be anti-terrorism. I don't understand why dax thinks we can only talk about gun control when white people do this. Very weird stance by him.

So when the Planned Parenthood shooting occurred, the liberal narrative was all about how Dear was motivated by Christianity and the undercover PP videos (both claims dubious at best). When Muslims commit terrorism, the argument shifts to gun control. Interesting.

How rough ridin' reductive can you be? Do you honestly think that A) people are incapable of thinking about two separate "narratives" at once, and B) that no liberals were talking about gun control after the Planned Parenthood mass shooting? You're either intentionally obtuse and misleading or you're a rough ridin' moron.

[EMAWican]

I just wish those ARs malfunctioned like the "Made in China" remote controlled car pipe bomb.

[star seed 7]

Is dax just redirecting his anger from not being able to attend dumbstick schemepak?

Better wackadoodle and the pit takes the majority of it than his wife and kids    sorry wackadoodle

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes EDN Whack-A-Doodle, CLEARLY this was not an attempt to ban the sale of assault weaponsl

My gawd you are a dumbass.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

Sorry you were caught lying again.  Next time edit your posts and remove the factual errors.

You didn't even bother to read the law Whack-a-Doodle, nor do understand the amendments to the law.

Someone that can neither understand, nor comprehend the intent of the law on the books calling someone a liar is straight out of EDN Whack-a-Doodle land.

Look I clearly understand and know the law better than you since I didn't post blatant lies.  You said ARs were illegal in Cali and that is blatantly false.  If you had posted Cali law makers attempted to make what they define as "assault weapons" illegal or hard to get that would have been correct.  Your ignorance or lies prevented that post from being made.  Going back on things now, and cluttering up this thread with your typical misdirection doesn't solve anything.  You were caught, again, spreading false information.  Take a lap, and get over it.

Dax said:

Cali has closed the gun show loophole FYI and AR type weapons are banned for sale in Cali.

With limited exceptions, California prohibits anyone from possessing an assault weapon unless he or she possessed the firearm prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon and registered the firearm with the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) in the timeframe established by state law.1 Note that this timeframe has now ended, and DOJ is generally not accepting any new registrations of assault weapons.
California also prohibits any person from manufacturing, distributing, transporting, importing, keeping for sale, offering for sale, giving, or lending any assault weapon within the state.2 However, DOJ may, upon a finding of good cause, issue permits for the manufacture, sale, or possession of assault weapons to certain law enforcement agencies and officers and to approved individuals over the age of 18.3 DOJ must conduct a yearly inspection – or every five years if the person to be inspected has fewer than five permitted devices – of every person to whom a permit is issued, for security and safe storage practices, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.4 Generally, no lawfully possessed assault weapon may be sold or transferred to anyone within California other than to a licensed gun dealer or to a police or sheriff’s department.5

http://smartgunlaws.org/assault-weapons-in-california/

[SkinnyBenny]

(Happy to know K-S-U-Dubs is still proudly bearing the torch of known worst poster on this blog, though.)

[star seed 7]

Yet you can buy CA legal AR pretty easily. You just have to have a key (?) for the mag and like not a short stock or something. I dunno, Emo EMAW can probably tell you

[ednksu]

Yes EDN Whack-A-Doodle, CLEARLY this was not an attempt to ban the sale of assault weaponsl

My gawd you are a dumbass.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

Sorry you were caught lying again.  Next time edit your posts and remove the factual errors.

You didn't even bother to read the law Whack-a-Doodle, nor do understand the amendments to the law.

Someone that can neither understand, nor comprehend the intent of the law on the books calling someone a liar is straight out of EDN Whack-a-Doodle land.

Look I clearly understand and know the law better than you since I didn't post blatant lies.  You said ARs were illegal in Cali and that is blatantly false.  If you had posted Cali law makers attempted to make what they define as "assault weapons" illegal or hard to get that would have been correct.  Your ignorance or lies prevented that post from being made.  Going back on things now, and cluttering up this thread with your typical misdirection doesn't solve anything.  You were caught, again, spreading false information.  Take a lap, and get over it.

Dax said:

Cali has closed the gun show loophole FYI and AR type weapons are banned for sale in Cali.

With limited exceptions, California prohibits anyone from possessing an assault weapon unless he or she possessed the firearm prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon and registered the firearm with the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) in the timeframe established by state law.1 Note that this timeframe has now ended, and DOJ is generally not accepting any new registrations of assault weapons.
California also prohibits any person from manufacturing, distributing, transporting, importing, keeping for sale, offering for sale, giving, or lending any assault weapon within the state.2 However, DOJ may, upon a finding of good cause, issue permits for the manufacture, sale, or possession of assault weapons to certain law enforcement agencies and officers and to approved individuals over the age of 18.3 DOJ must conduct a yearly inspection – or every five years if the person to be inspected has fewer than five permitted devices – of every person to whom a permit is issued, for security and safe storage practices, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.4 Generally, no lawfully possessed assault weapon may be sold or transferred to anyone within California other than to a licensed gun dealer or to a police or sheriff’s department.5

http://smartgunlaws.org/assault-weapons-in-california/

sorry dax, you can misdirect all you want, but you're wrong.  there are thousands upon thousands of Cali legal ARs legal for sale in Cali today.  You don't know the facts and made a sweeping statement.  If you want to discuss the absurdities of bullet buttons, fixed stocks, flash suppressors/hiders, and mag limits we can.  But don't act like you know what you're talking about.  Right now you are googling crap and posting it without any idea what it means.  You look more ignorant now about guns to anyone who has any knowledge on the issue. Please stop.

[EMAWican]

Anyone that uses AR and "assault weapon" in this thread needs to educate themselves. ARs aren't outlawed in California unless they have certain features (pistol grip, 11+ round mags, suppressor, etc.).

I doubt these miscreants shot hundreds of rounds using 10 round mags. The ARs were illegal in California based on this assumption.

[ednksu]

Anyone that uses AR and "assault weapon" in this thread needs to educate themselves. ARs aren't outlawed in California unless they have certain features (pistol grip, 11+ round mags, suppressor, etc.).

I doubt these miscreants shot hundreds of rounds using 10 round mags. The ARs were illegal in California based on this assumption.

without a doubt illegal mods, which are easily accessible online.  even new mags are possible with "rebuild" kits.  it's interesting to see the ignorance about guns pop up in these discussions and promulgate myths.  also sad to see misinformation used when we don't know what really happened at this point other than the obvious.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes EDN Whack-A-Doodle, CLEARLY this was not an attempt to ban the sale of assault weaponsl

My gawd you are a dumbass.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

Sorry you were caught lying again.  Next time edit your posts and remove the factual errors.

You didn't even bother to read the law Whack-a-Doodle, nor do understand the amendments to the law.

Someone that can neither understand, nor comprehend the intent of the law on the books calling someone a liar is straight out of EDN Whack-a-Doodle land.

Look I clearly understand and know the law better than you since I didn't post blatant lies.  You said ARs were illegal in Cali and that is blatantly false.  If you had posted Cali law makers attempted to make what they define as "assault weapons" illegal or hard to get that would have been correct.  Your ignorance or lies prevented that post from being made.  Going back on things now, and cluttering up this thread with your typical misdirection doesn't solve anything.  You were caught, again, spreading false information.  Take a lap, and get over it.

Dax said:

Cali has closed the gun show loophole FYI and AR type weapons are banned for sale in Cali.

With limited exceptions, California prohibits anyone from possessing an assault weapon unless he or she possessed the firearm prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon and registered the firearm with the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) in the timeframe established by state law.1 Note that this timeframe has now ended, and DOJ is generally not accepting any new registrations of assault weapons.
California also prohibits any person from manufacturing, distributing, transporting, importing, keeping for sale, offering for sale, giving, or lending any assault weapon within the state.2 However, DOJ may, upon a finding of good cause, issue permits for the manufacture, sale, or possession of assault weapons to certain law enforcement agencies and officers and to approved individuals over the age of 18.3 DOJ must conduct a yearly inspection – or every five years if the person to be inspected has fewer than five permitted devices – of every person to whom a permit is issued, for security and safe storage practices, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.4 Generally, no lawfully possessed assault weapon may be sold or transferred to anyone within California other than to a licensed gun dealer or to a police or sheriff’s department.5

http://smartgunlaws.org/assault-weapons-in-california/

sorry dax, you can misdirect all you want, but you're wrong.  there are thousands upon thousands of Cali legal ARs legal for sale in Cali today.  You don't know the facts and made a sweeping statement.  If you want to discuss the absurdities of bullet buttons, fixed stocks, flash suppressors/hiders, and mag limits we can.  But don't act like you know what you're talking about.  Right now you are googling crap and posting it without any idea what it means.  You look more ignorant now about guns to anyone who has any knowledge on the issue. Please stop.

Well first off, Google is, you know a great search engine.   I mean, you are a complete nutcase so maybe you have thousands of bookmarks, but I don't.    You, by implication said that California didn't ban assault weapons and they sale thereof . . . simply because manufacturers have found a loophole does not change the reality that California has banned the sale of assault weapons as the California Legislature has defined assault weapons and the legislation specifically names AR and AK weapons as being banned based on their original design and known modifications of the time.  Their failure to step back up and close this loophole is immaterial to the general and clear intent of the legislation, and no way means I am a liar.

You're just a completely insufferable Whack-A-Doodle who is always wrong about everything.   You can't be called a liar, because people who are complete dumbasses are incapable of being liars. 

[ednksu]

Yes EDN Whack-A-Doodle, CLEARLY this was not an attempt to ban the sale of assault weaponsl

My gawd you are a dumbass.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

Sorry you were caught lying again.  Next time edit your posts and remove the factual errors.

You didn't even bother to read the law Whack-a-Doodle, nor do understand the amendments to the law.

Someone that can neither understand, nor comprehend the intent of the law on the books calling someone a liar is straight out of EDN Whack-a-Doodle land.

Look I clearly understand and know the law better than you since I didn't post blatant lies.  You said ARs were illegal in Cali and that is blatantly false.  If you had posted Cali law makers attempted to make what they define as "assault weapons" illegal or hard to get that would have been correct.  Your ignorance or lies prevented that post from being made.  Going back on things now, and cluttering up this thread with your typical misdirection doesn't solve anything.  You were caught, again, spreading false information.  Take a lap, and get over it.

Dax said:

Cali has closed the gun show loophole FYI and AR type weapons are banned for sale in Cali.

With limited exceptions, California prohibits anyone from possessing an assault weapon unless he or she possessed the firearm prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon and registered the firearm with the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) in the timeframe established by state law.1 Note that this timeframe has now ended, and DOJ is generally not accepting any new registrations of assault weapons.
California also prohibits any person from manufacturing, distributing, transporting, importing, keeping for sale, offering for sale, giving, or lending any assault weapon within the state.2 However, DOJ may, upon a finding of good cause, issue permits for the manufacture, sale, or possession of assault weapons to certain law enforcement agencies and officers and to approved individuals over the age of 18.3 DOJ must conduct a yearly inspection – or every five years if the person to be inspected has fewer than five permitted devices – of every person to whom a permit is issued, for security and safe storage practices, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.4 Generally, no lawfully possessed assault weapon may be sold or transferred to anyone within California other than to a licensed gun dealer or to a police or sheriff’s department.5

http://smartgunlaws.org/assault-weapons-in-california/

sorry dax, you can misdirect all you want, but you're wrong.  there are thousands upon thousands of Cali legal ARs legal for sale in Cali today.  You don't know the facts and made a sweeping statement.  If you want to discuss the absurdities of bullet buttons, fixed stocks, flash suppressors/hiders, and mag limits we can.  But don't act like you know what you're talking about.  Right now you are googling crap and posting it without any idea what it means.  You look more ignorant now about guns to anyone who has any knowledge on the issue. Please stop.

Well first off, Google is, you know a great search engine.   I mean, you are a complete nutcase so maybe you have thousands of bookmarks, but I don't.    You, by implication said that California didn't ban assault weapons and they sale thereof . . . simply because manufacturers have found a loophole does not change the reality that California has banned the sale of assault weapons as the California Legislature has defined assault weapons.   Their failure to step back up and close this loophole is immaterial to the general and clear intent of the legislation, and no way means I am a liar.

You're just a completely insufferable Whack-A-Doodle who is always wrong about everything.   You can't be called a liar, because people who are complete dumbasses are incapable of being liars.

Once again Dax lies and misdirections. I said you were lying about Cali banning ARs.  The rest is you arguing with windmills buddy.  Case closed.

[CNS]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

[ednksu]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

there are actually pretty good stats on the number of rounds fired in defense situations and it's usually less than 10.  I will say, mag size is an odd metric.  It does and doesn't matter.  A tried or experience shooter will have no trouble overcoming that limit, while that limit for an inexperienced shooter could provide a necessary moment of intervention, example the Portland mall shooting where a jam/reload situation allowed intervention.

[Ptolemy]

Children - children...

Gun control will not stop this from happening. It will only make them more prevalent. The places shot-up are where gun restrictions are strongest: schools, churches, social service agencies.

We are at war with Radical Islam. The federal government cannot protect us from this enemy better than we can protect ourselves. If you see a Middle Eastern-descent neighbor with lots of Middle Eastern men coming and going with lots of boxes and deliveries, notify the local authorities. Eff fears of racial profiling! Marketing people have been profiling for ages and nobody stops them.

And Shep Smith is an ass-clown. He actually said when the armored vehicle was approaching the SUV with a long pole after they shot-up the perps that they were going to poke the bodies to see if they were dead.  I'm sure they could have been taking a nap Shep!  What a grandstanding buffoon!   

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes EDN Whack-A-Doodle, CLEARLY this was not an attempt to ban the sale of assault weaponsl

My gawd you are a dumbass.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

Sorry you were caught lying again.  Next time edit your posts and remove the factual errors.

You didn't even bother to read the law Whack-a-Doodle, nor do understand the amendments to the law.

Someone that can neither understand, nor comprehend the intent of the law on the books calling someone a liar is straight out of EDN Whack-a-Doodle land.

Look I clearly understand and know the law better than you since I didn't post blatant lies.  You said ARs were illegal in Cali and that is blatantly false.  If you had posted Cali law makers attempted to make what they define as "assault weapons" illegal or hard to get that would have been correct.  Your ignorance or lies prevented that post from being made.  Going back on things now, and cluttering up this thread with your typical misdirection doesn't solve anything.  You were caught, again, spreading false information.  Take a lap, and get over it.

Dax said:

Cali has closed the gun show loophole FYI and AR type weapons are banned for sale in Cali.

With limited exceptions, California prohibits anyone from possessing an assault weapon unless he or she possessed the firearm prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon and registered the firearm with the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) in the timeframe established by state law.1 Note that this timeframe has now ended, and DOJ is generally not accepting any new registrations of assault weapons.
California also prohibits any person from manufacturing, distributing, transporting, importing, keeping for sale, offering for sale, giving, or lending any assault weapon within the state.2 However, DOJ may, upon a finding of good cause, issue permits for the manufacture, sale, or possession of assault weapons to certain law enforcement agencies and officers and to approved individuals over the age of 18.3 DOJ must conduct a yearly inspection – or every five years if the person to be inspected has fewer than five permitted devices – of every person to whom a permit is issued, for security and safe storage practices, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.4 Generally, no lawfully possessed assault weapon may be sold or transferred to anyone within California other than to a licensed gun dealer or to a police or sheriff’s department.5

http://smartgunlaws.org/assault-weapons-in-california/

sorry dax, you can misdirect all you want, but you're wrong.  there are thousands upon thousands of Cali legal ARs legal for sale in Cali today.  You don't know the facts and made a sweeping statement.  If you want to discuss the absurdities of bullet buttons, fixed stocks, flash suppressors/hiders, and mag limits we can.  But don't act like you know what you're talking about.  Right now you are googling crap and posting it without any idea what it means.  You look more ignorant now about guns to anyone who has any knowledge on the issue. Please stop.

Well first off, Google is, you know a great search engine.   I mean, you are a complete nutcase so maybe you have thousands of bookmarks, but I don't.    You, by implication said that California didn't ban assault weapons and they sale thereof . . . simply because manufacturers have found a loophole does not change the reality that California has banned the sale of assault weapons as the California Legislature has defined assault weapons.   Their failure to step back up and close this loophole is immaterial to the general and clear intent of the legislation, and no way means I am a liar.

You're just a completely insufferable Whack-A-Doodle who is always wrong about everything.   You can't be called a liar, because people who are complete dumbasses are incapable of being liars.

Once again Dax lies and misdirections. I said you were lying about Cali banning ARs.  The rest is you arguing with windmills buddy.  Case closed.

The legislation specifically named AR and AK assault weapons as they were known to exist in 2000/2001.    You're simply trying to enter into ridiculous arguments over semantics as usual.   The sale of those weapons as they are defined by the California Legislators is banned, it's just that simple.   

Now, go back to being your usual dumbass whack-a-doodle self.   The only person misdirecting is you.

[Emo EMAW]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need. 

[ednksu]

Yes EDN Whack-A-Doodle, CLEARLY this was not an attempt to ban the sale of assault weaponsl

My gawd you are a dumbass.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf

Sorry you were caught lying again.  Next time edit your posts and remove the factual errors.

You didn't even bother to read the law Whack-a-Doodle, nor do understand the amendments to the law.

Someone that can neither understand, nor comprehend the intent of the law on the books calling someone a liar is straight out of EDN Whack-a-Doodle land.

Look I clearly understand and know the law better than you since I didn't post blatant lies.  You said ARs were illegal in Cali and that is blatantly false.  If you had posted Cali law makers attempted to make what they define as "assault weapons" illegal or hard to get that would have been correct.  Your ignorance or lies prevented that post from being made.  Going back on things now, and cluttering up this thread with your typical misdirection doesn't solve anything.  You were caught, again, spreading false information.  Take a lap, and get over it.

Dax said:

Cali has closed the gun show loophole FYI and AR type weapons are banned for sale in Cali.

With limited exceptions, California prohibits anyone from possessing an assault weapon unless he or she possessed the firearm prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon and registered the firearm with the California Department of Justice (“DOJ”) in the timeframe established by state law.1 Note that this timeframe has now ended, and DOJ is generally not accepting any new registrations of assault weapons.
California also prohibits any person from manufacturing, distributing, transporting, importing, keeping for sale, offering for sale, giving, or lending any assault weapon within the state.2 However, DOJ may, upon a finding of good cause, issue permits for the manufacture, sale, or possession of assault weapons to certain law enforcement agencies and officers and to approved individuals over the age of 18.3 DOJ must conduct a yearly inspection – or every five years if the person to be inspected has fewer than five permitted devices – of every person to whom a permit is issued, for security and safe storage practices, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.4 Generally, no lawfully possessed assault weapon may be sold or transferred to anyone within California other than to a licensed gun dealer or to a police or sheriff’s department.5

http://smartgunlaws.org/assault-weapons-in-california/

sorry dax, you can misdirect all you want, but you're wrong.  there are thousands upon thousands of Cali legal ARs legal for sale in Cali today.  You don't know the facts and made a sweeping statement.  If you want to discuss the absurdities of bullet buttons, fixed stocks, flash suppressors/hiders, and mag limits we can.  But don't act like you know what you're talking about.  Right now you are googling crap and posting it without any idea what it means.  You look more ignorant now about guns to anyone who has any knowledge on the issue. Please stop.

Well first off, Google is, you know a great search engine.   I mean, you are a complete nutcase so maybe you have thousands of bookmarks, but I don't.    You, by implication said that California didn't ban assault weapons and they sale thereof . . . simply because manufacturers have found a loophole does not change the reality that California has banned the sale of assault weapons as the California Legislature has defined assault weapons.   Their failure to step back up and close this loophole is immaterial to the general and clear intent of the legislation, and no way means I am a liar.

You're just a completely insufferable Whack-A-Doodle who is always wrong about everything.   You can't be called a liar, because people who are complete dumbasses are incapable of being liars.

Once again Dax lies and misdirections. I said you were lying about Cali banning ARs.  The rest is you arguing with windmills buddy.  Case closed.

The legislation specifically named AR and AK assault weapons as they were known to exist in 2000/2001.    You're simply trying to enter into ridiculous arguments over semantics as usual.   The sale of those weapons as they are defined by the California Legislators is banned, it's just that simple.   

Now, go back to being your usual dumbass whack-a-doodle self.   The only person misdirecting is you.

Good grief Dax, quit flailing.  Accept that you mumped up and move on.  Or maybe you should call the CHP or whoever on all these sellers:
http://www.slickguns.com/california-guns

Just take the lump, consider yourself more educated and move on in less ignorance.

[star seed 7]

Children - children...

Gun control will not stop this from happening. It will only make them more prevalent. The places shot-up are where gun restrictions are strongest: schools, churches, social service agencies.

We are at war with Radical Islam. The federal government cannot protect us from this enemy better than we can protect ourselves. If you see a Middle Eastern-descent neighbor with lots of Middle Eastern men coming and going with lots of boxes and deliveries, notify the local authorities. Eff fears of racial profiling! Marketing people have been profiling for ages and nobody stops them.

And Shep Smith is an ass-clown. He actually said when the armored vehicle was approaching the SUV with a long pole after they shot-up the perps that they were going to poke the bodies to see if they were dead.  I'm sure they could have been taking a nap Shep!  What a grandstanding buffoon!

 

[star seed 7]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Are bullets covered in 2a?

[chuckjames]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

A right to be well regulated.

[Emo EMAW]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Are bullets covered in 2a?

Of course.

[ednksu]

shall not be infringed

[sonofdaxjones]

There's knockoffs, counterfeits, look-a-likes available in nearly every product under the sun.   

I can buy a car in California, drive across state lines, take off one part, drive back into California and the car is now illegal in California.    But I can find a way to skirt the law for years, if not forever.   But I still have an illegal car by California Law, as they define what is or isn't a legal car.

[CNS]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

Ownership is the right.  No specifics about type, quantity, etc.

[Emo EMAW]

I am on the capacity band wagon.  Why does anyone need more than 5-6 bullets?  For those that have argued in the past that a 7th bullet may be needed, etc, well you could say that a 17th bullet may be needed too, or a 22nd, or a 50th, etc.  In reality, most home invasions and sitch's that require self protection don't include a band or army of assailants.   If you need more than 6 bullets, you need better training or shouldn't have a gun.

Why should "need" justify the existence of anything?  We are talking about a right here.  Not a need.

A right to be well regulated.

They are already over-regulated.  It's difficult to obtain military grade weapons such that a militia should have.