What ISIS really wants.

[Yard Dog]

This article is an extremely informative read. It is a bit lengthy, but it covers why ISIS is doing what it is doing and why certain strategies against them have failed so miserably.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[star seed 7]

Are you lauding isis?

[Yard Dog]

Are you lauding isis?

Definitely not. Some of the things that they want, or that they are required to do so they are not considered an apostate, are unsettling and to a degree horrifying. I suggest you take the time to read the article to inform yourself about the reality of ISIS' goals and commitment to terror and jihad.

[star seed 7]

Sounds like you're an isis apologist

[Yard Dog]

Sounds like you're an isis apologist

That is founded on nothing. I do not support ISIS. I don't know why you refuse to read and comment on the article unless you would prefer to stay ignorant about the real threat that ISIS poses. That is your right, but as long as you choose to remain ignorant your arguments on the subject matter are null and void to me.   

[OK_Cat]

Yard dog in Muslim means ISIS lover

[Emo EMAW]

Does this article cover the difference between ISIS and ISIL?  I will read it if it does.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Luked. Discussed at length here: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34250.msg1316921#msg1316921

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long

very interesting read.

good link.
Yes, thanks for posting.

Ok, so now that you've all read an article in The Atlantic, you all agree with me that not all religions are equally peaceful and Islam is a significant factor in terrorism? We're done with the "because geography" and "because too little (or too much) resources and trade" arguments? Welcome aboard. 

We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature. Peter Bergen, who produced the first interview with bin Laden in 1997, titled his first book Holy War, Inc. in part to acknowledge bin Laden as a creature of the modern secular world. Bin Laden corporatized terror and franchised it out. He requested specific political concessions, such as the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia. His foot soldiers navigated the modern world confidently. On Mohammad Atta’s last full day of life, he shopped at Walmart and ate dinner at Pizza Hut.

There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse.

The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

To take one example: In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)

But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

These people are simply following the literal teachings of the founder of their religion, a conquering warlord. Anybody still want to argue whether the world would be a far better place if these same people followed the literal teachings of Jesus instead?

[lopakman]

Does this article cover the difference between ISIS and ISIL?  I will read it if it does.

That's a good question. I will ask OK Cat to read it and let me know.  If it does, I will then let you know.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Does this article cover the difference between ISIS and ISIL?  I will read it if it does.

That's a good question. I will ask OK Cat to read it and let me know.  If it does, I will then let you know.

It's the same thing. ISIL is what people say when they're trying to sound smarter than you because almost everybody else says ISIS. If you really want to sound smart, the newest trend is "DAESH." Again, same group. Same with "Pockeeston." See Obama.

I think Edna's been busting out DAESH around here, and he is really proud of himself.

[ednksu]

Does this article cover the difference between ISIS and ISIL?  I will read it if it does.

That's a good question. I will ask OK Cat to read it and let me know.  If it does, I will then let you know.

It's the same thing. ISIL is what people say when they're trying to sound smarter than you because almost everybody else says ISIS. If you really want to sound smart, the newest trend is "DAESH." Again, same group. Same with "Pockeeston." See Obama.

I think Edna's been busting out DAESH around here, and he is really proud of himself.

[Skipper44]

This was a good read
http://www.cracked.com/blog/isis-wants-us-to-invade-7-facts-revealed-by-their-magazine_p2/

and I found this part enlightening

But the thing that most surprised me was how little I understood their worldview. I didn't realize they hated Iran until I learned the word "rafidah," which kept showing up before "ayatollah." It means "rejector," as in they reject the proper interpretation of scripture. ISIS considers the Iranian regime heretics and lumps them in with the U.S. and Russia as enemies. They even insinuate that former Iranian President Ahmadinejad is a puppet of Israel.

[sys]

edn's link arguing that people should call isis daesh was probably the best thing he's ever posted.  i was convinced by the argument, but haven't switched over because i'm not sure people would know what i'm referencing if i used daesh.

[ednksu]

edn's link arguing that people should call isis daesh was probably the best thing he's ever posted.  i was convinced by the argument, but haven't switched over because i'm not sure people would know what i'm referencing if i used daesh.

gotta start somewhere and spread



I also wanted to toss this out there, since I know most will reject this on face, but ideologically, doesn't Daesh mirror some of the motives from the radical Christian right for supporting the creation of Israel.  (think end game)

[Cire]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/what-muslims-really-want-isis-atlantic/386156/ 

This is better

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Sounds like you're an isis apologist

That is founded on nothing. I do not support ISIS. I don't know why you refuse to read and comment on the article unless you would prefer to stay ignorant about the real threat that ISIS poses. That is your right, but as long as you choose to remain ignorant your arguments on the subject matter are null and void to me.

libliblibliblibliblib, how's it feel to have your ass kicked by Yard Dog you ignorant SOB?

[wetwillie]

edn's link arguing that people should call isis daesh was probably the best thing he's ever posted.  i was convinced by the argument, but haven't switched over because i'm not sure people would know what i'm referencing if i used daesh.

gotta start somewhere and spread



I also wanted to toss this out there, since I know most will reject this on face, but ideologically, doesn't Daesh mirror some of the motives from the radical Christian right for supporting the creation of Israel.  (think end game)

Martin Luther wrote something called the Jews and their lies.  So I doubt it.

[renocat]

According to Loretta Lynch and in arab spring.speeches by obama ISIsLicers want love, unity, and compassion.  We must be depiving them.  They blew up 30 people at the Istanbul airport today.  Obama needs to give them more guns as a love gift and preach at anyone one who chastizes them as evil vermin.

[sys]

you have to stop.  this is not right.

[SkinnyBenny]

you have to stop.  this is not right.

Well said.

[sonofdaxjones]

Time for another CIA arms shipment to get "stolen".

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Skinny B, I think you're more comfortable as renocat. What he says makes sense to you, but you just can't say them IRL.

[star seed 7]

Skinny B, I think you're more comfortable as renocat. What he says makes sense to you, but you just can't say them IRL.

I believe this to be true as well

[SkinnyBenny]

lol

[renocat]

How can we show love to these slicers?  How about an adopt a terrorist program patterned after a rescue dog adoption program.  Or Peace Corps Syria for lib youthies.  Purging pork from our diets?  Mass hog killings?  What are the possibilities ........