Cats and stats

[catastrophe]

I like this thread title. 

[Katpappy]

When you're a ksu_FAN, you're the MAN!!!

[j rake]

GTFO with style of play as a reason for us not sucking.

Style of play absolutely kept us in those close games. You have to give the coaches credit for somewhat masking the lack of talent at offensive skill positions. The teams with comparable talent haven't yet figured this out.

that was in regards to this: 

reports of k-state's defensive demise are greatly overstated when factoring in injuries as well as strength of opponent as well as the big 12's present style of football (last six years) compared to the early big 12.

I think it's complete bullshit.

if you think comparing late 1990s stats to present day stats is in any way relevant or revealing, then i can't help you. not to mention, none of the stats provided in the OP are adjusted for strength of opponent.

[Fldermaus]

how do special teams compare? It doesn't seem like we have any big special teams plays this year.

I sorted these by how often we had a TD return. IE, every 15.5 KO/Punt returns in 1998 we scored a TD. (last column)

Looking at point averages is really, really misleading. We have one (1) return for a TD this year, in the first play of the first game. 

Yards per KO and punt return, which are meaningful averages, are near the bottom.  In fact, discounting Burns' first KO return, the average for that is really bad.

[kso_FAN]

how do special teams compare? It doesn't seem like we have any big special teams plays this year.

I sorted these by how often we had a TD return. IE, every 15.5 KO/Punt returns in 1998 we scored a TD. (last column)

Looking at point averages is really, really misleading. We have one (1) return for a TD this year, in the first play of the first game. 

Yards per KO and punt return, which are meaningful averages, are near the bottom.  In fact, discounting Burns' first KO return, the average for that is really bad.

I agree, it can be. I was just posting the info I had, it's harder to factor in the benefits of field position gained by returns. The special teams rankings and field position rankings from footballoutsiders.com are the best measures, but they only go back to 2007 or so.

[kso_FAN]

Updated.

I think we can safety say this is the worst defense Snyder has had since before 1993.

[CHONGS]

[kso_FAN]

The 3 worst Snyder defenses probably go something like this (granted, early 90s is hard to compare to today.)

1. 1989
2. 2015
3. 2004

[DQ12]

i'd still take this defense over 2010

[kso_FAN]

i'd still take this defense over 2010

True, 10 was very bad too. Probably just as bad if not worse than 04.

[DQ12]

i'd still take this defense over 2010

True, 10 was very bad too. Probably just as bad if not worse than 04.

that north texas game is the most frustrated i've ever been during any cats game ever

[Bqqkie Pimp]

i'd still take this defense over 2010

True, 10 was very bad too. Probably just as bad if not worse than 04.

that north texas game is the most frustrated i've ever been during any cats game ever

 

[TownieCat]

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[catzacker]

The 3 worst Snyder defenses probably go something like this (granted, early 90s is hard to compare to today.)

1. 1989
2. 2015
3. 2004

When I factor in the shape of the program prior to and including those seasons, I would put 2015 and 2004 ahead of 1989. I mean, a one legged horse finishing last at the Kentucky derby probably tried like hell to win it but just never had a chance.

[MakeItRain]

i'd still take this defense over 2010

True, 10 was very bad too. Probably just as bad if not worse than 04.

that north texas game is the most frustrated i've ever been during any cats game ever

 

Ugh, makes me want to boo the coaches again. That day changed me as a fan forever.