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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2015, 12:33:04 PM »
I don't see coming out with 2 straight drives in the 3rd and throwing on 1st down as conservative.

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2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2015, 12:49:46 PM »
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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2015, 01:05:23 PM »
Let's breakdown the 9 plays to start the 3rd quarter:
Incomplete pass
Incomplete pass
Sack
Incomplete pass
Sack
Incomplete pass
Silmon rush for 1 yard
Cook rush for -1 yard
Pass complete :excited: ...for -5 yards :frown:

I'm not sure how the offensive coordinator calling six straight drop back pocket passes inside our own 20 yard line, with a guy who has never done that, with this receiver corps, is an indictment on what Cook is as a quarterback. They sure as hell wouldn't do that with Huebner, I'm not sure why they decided that Cook was Payton Manning.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2015, 01:17:28 PM »
Let's breakdown the 9 plays to start the 3rd quarter:
Incomplete pass
Incomplete pass
Sack
Incomplete pass
Sack
Incomplete pass
Silmon rush for 1 yard
Cook rush for -1 yard
Pass complete :excited: ...for -5 yards :frown:

I'm not sure how the offensive coordinator calling six straight drop back pocket passes inside our own 20 yard line, with a guy who has never done that, with this receiver corps, is an indictment on what Cook is as a quarterback. They sure as hell wouldn't do that with Huebner, I'm not sure why they decided that Cook was Payton Manning.
That wasn't meant to be an indictment on KC as much as it was pointing out that he had several below average plays to go along with his 2 1/2 good drives as QB.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2015, 01:31:04 PM »
I don't see coming out with 2 straight drives in the 3rd and throwing on 1st down as conservative.

I don't, either. If anything, we weren't conservative enough. Our coaches forgot their QB was actually a wide receiver and they went away from the conservative playcalling in the first half to try to open the game up.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2015, 01:43:54 PM »
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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2015, 01:50:51 PM »
I don't see coming out with 2 straight drives in the 3rd and throwing on 1st down as conservative.

I don't, either. If anything, we weren't conservative enough. Our coaches forgot their QB was actually a wide receiver and they went away from the conservative playcalling in the first half to try to open the game up.

Yeah, I'd agree with this. I'm sure we thought OSU's adjustment would be to load the box (and it was) so we threw it on 1st down. The problem is getting to 2nd and 10 and suddenly you limit your play calling and rhythm on offense (especially with an inexperienced QB) and it blew up on us. However, people would've been just as ticked if we come out and run 2 straight run plays that get stuffed on each drive and threw incompletes on 3rd down.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2015, 02:02:10 PM »

I don't see coming out with 2 straight drives in the 3rd and throwing on 1st down as conservative.

I don't, either. If anything, we weren't conservative enough. Our coaches forgot their QB was actually a wide receiver and they went away from the conservative playcalling in the first half to try to open the game up.

Yeah, I'd agree with this. I'm sure we thought OSU's adjustment would be to load the box (and it was) so we threw it on 1st down. The problem is getting to 2nd and 10 and suddenly you limit your play calling and rhythm on offense (especially with an inexperienced QB) and it blew up on us. However, people would've been just as ticked if we come out and run 2 straight run plays that get stuffed on each drive and threw incompletes on 3rd down.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2015, 02:43:13 PM »
I don't see coming out with 2 straight drives in the 3rd and throwing on 1st down as conservative.

I don't, either. If anything, we weren't conservative enough. Our coaches forgot their QB was actually a wide receiver and they went away from the conservative playcalling in the first half to try to open the game up.

Yeah, I'd agree with this. I'm sure we thought OSU's adjustment would be to load the box (and it was) so we threw it on 1st down. The problem is getting to 2nd and 10 and suddenly you limit your play calling and rhythm on offense (especially with an inexperienced QB) and it blew up on us. However, people would've been just as ticked if we come out and run 2 straight run plays that get stuffed on each drive and threw incompletes on 3rd down.

What people are we talking about? Anyone reasonable wouldn't have had an issue with them running the ball twice in six plays. Besides who cares what people would have been ticked about. Keeping Kody Cook in the pocket for 6 straight plays was absolutely wrong. We can't have two decades of this narrative of a complex playbook and offense and then tell me that we had no choices between six straight five step drops and ramming the ball between the tackles like we're the '95 Dallas Cowboys.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2015, 02:46:52 PM »
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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2015, 02:59:50 PM »
I don't see coming out with 2 straight drives in the 3rd and throwing on 1st down as conservative.

I don't, either. If anything, we weren't conservative enough. Our coaches forgot their QB was actually a wide receiver and they went away from the conservative playcalling in the first half to try to open the game up.

Yeah, I'd agree with this. I'm sure we thought OSU's adjustment would be to load the box (and it was) so we threw it on 1st down. The problem is getting to 2nd and 10 and suddenly you limit your play calling and rhythm on offense (especially with an inexperienced QB) and it blew up on us. However, people would've been just as ticked if we come out and run 2 straight run plays that get stuffed on each drive and threw incompletes on 3rd down.

What people are we talking about? Anyone reasonable wouldn't have had an issue with them running the ball twice in six plays. Besides who cares what people would have been ticked about. Keeping Kody Cook in the pocket for 6 straight plays was absolutely wrong. We can't have two decades of this narrative of a complex playbook and offense and then tell me that we had no choices between six straight five step drops and ramming the ball between the tackles like we're the '95 Dallas Cowboys.

A poster in this thread said we went conservative and I don't believe that was the case at all. Throwing 2 drives in a row on first down is not being conservative.

Now, I wasn't necessarily saying that what Dimel did was right, but when plays don't work its easy to find ways to say they are dumb and sometimes those reasons are sound. But when the 2nd drive started with Klein running 2 steps in front of his defender down the middle of the field on first down and Cook barely misses him/Klein drops it I don't think that was a stupid play call. That was simply a missed opportunity, but it did put us in another bad down and distance situation for a 2nd drive in a row. No doubt it cost us because we had two 3 and out drives, didn't move the ball, and more importantly didn't use much clock which became valuable in the end. I'd have to go back and analyze each of those calls to see if there is justification to say there were dumb calls, but I don't always think the accurate statement is just to say play calls were stupid every time they don't work.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2015, 03:31:35 PM »
So even the kid that hit him pretty much said "yeah, I should've been flagged for that."

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2015, 03:43:47 PM »
I think I mentioned it in chat, but it'd BJ didn't have a neck like a giraffe it probably wouldn't have snapped back so hard into the turf. Was it a blessing in disguise since we got to see how studly cook is?

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2015, 03:45:46 PM »
the coaches "conservative" play calling was more about reducing hits to Kool Hand Kody than anything else, imo

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2015, 03:56:14 PM »
I consider low risk 5-10 yard pocket passes and runs up the middle to be conservative. Our offense was better when we got Simon  on the edge and when Cook got out of the pocket. I'd like to see him run a legit option offense with Simon.
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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2015, 04:01:36 PM »
Can you guys imagine running the option this year with Cook/Silmon and next year with Delton/Silmon/Warmack? And then letting Hubes come in to throw bombs to Heath.... :love: :love:
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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #92 on: October 06, 2015, 08:43:13 PM »
Hey guys how bout we keep the injury thread to injury talk and leave the insane hypothetical scenario dreams to the insane hypothetical scenario dreams thread okay thanks go cats.
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« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2015, 09:51:46 PM »
If anything, Dimel and Miller gained too much confidence in Cook's throwing from the first half (he was 10-12) and it carried over to the 2nd.

1st drive:
1st and 10: Twin receivers to the right and a single receiver to the left. Double fullback backfield. Cook threw a quick out to Davis (who was in the slot; outside receiver ran a fade) who was open but Cook missed him.

2nd and 10: We went doubles (2 receivers to each side) with Silmon in the backfield. Cook and Silmon ran a read fake and the safety flew to the middle; again Davis ran an out and was wide open, but Cook threw high.

3rd and 10: We went trips bunch to the right, single receiver to the left. Again, Silmon in the backfield. You can't see the routes well on TV, Cook had time, but coverage must have been good and he took a sack.

2nd drive:
1st and 10: Trips left, TE right, Gronk in the backfield. Klein is the middle receiver in trips, gets matched up in man with a safety, beats him by 2-3 steps, but Cook overthrows the ball by a small amount. (the ball actually went off of Klein's left hand)

2nd and 10: Double tight, 2 reciever to the left, Silmon in the backfield. OSU gets penetration and decent coverage, but the TE was open to the 2 receiver side. Another sack.

3rd and 10: Twin receivers to the left, single receiver to the right, Silmon and Valentine in the backfield. Cook checks down the Valentine in the flat and throws short, but it would've been short of the first down.

By the third drive OSU had cut it to 2. We had terrible field position after a KO return penalty. We finally got a first down on read option that Cook ran for 12 yards. That drive eventually broke down after a couple more Silmon runs on read plays.

The first half built too much confidence for Dimel and Miller in Cook's throwing ability. 3 of the first 4 incomplete throws did have open receivers, but Cook threw poorly on 2 and barely missed on 1. By the time they went back to running the ball, OSU had only cut the lead to 2. After that K-State still had chances after an OSU drive deep into KSU territory ended in an interception. Unfortunately, K-State's next drive ended with the failed Gronk pass (a call I liked) and then the sack. After that OSU took the lead, K-State answered, then the K-State defense failed to get the 4th down stop. After rewatching the 2nd half, I have to stretch it to say Dimel and Miller had a failed plan to start the 2nd half. Maybe they got a bit overconfident in the arm of a WR, but after his 10-12 first half they put him in some situations that didn't ask for extremely tough throws and he couldn't deliver. I'm less ticked about the offensive results and gameplan after I rewatched it actually.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #94 on: October 06, 2015, 09:54:31 PM »
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« Reply #95 on: October 06, 2015, 10:06:56 PM »
If anything, Dimel and Miller gained too much confidence in Cook's throwing from the first half (he was 10-12) and it carried over to the 2nd.

1st drive:
1st and 10: Twin receivers to the right and a single receiver to the left. Double fullback backfield. Cook threw a quick out to Davis (who was in the slot; outside receiver ran a fade) who was open but Cook missed him.

2nd and 10: We went doubles (2 receivers to each side) with Silmon in the backfield. Cook and Silmon ran a read fake and the safety flew to the middle; again Davis ran an out and was wide open, but Cook threw high.

3rd and 10: We went trips bunch to the right, single receiver to the left. Again, Silmon in the backfield. You can't see the routes well on TV, Cook had time, but coverage must have been good and he took a sack.

2nd drive:
1st and 10: Trips left, TE right, Gronk in the backfield. Klein is the middle receiver in trips, gets matched up in man with a safety, beats him by 2-3 steps, but Cook overthrows the ball by a small amount. (the ball actually went off of Klein's left hand)

2nd and 10: Double tight, 2 reciever to the left, Silmon in the backfield. OSU gets penetration and decent coverage, but the TE was open to the 2 receiver side. Another sack.

3rd and 10: Twin receivers to the left, single receiver to the right, Silmon and Valentine in the backfield. Cook checks down the Valentine in the flat and throws short, but it would've been short of the first down.

By the third drive OSU had cut it to 2. We had terrible field position after a KO return penalty. We finally got a first down on read option that Cook ran for 12 yards. That drive eventually broke down after a couple more Silmon runs on read plays.

The first half built too much confidence for Dimel and Miller in Cook's throwing ability. 3 of the first 4 incomplete throws did have open receivers, but Cook threw poorly on 2 and barely missed on 1. By the time they went back to running the ball, OSU had only cut the lead to 2. After that K-State still had chances after an OSU drive deep into KSU territory ended in an interception. Unfortunately, K-State's next drive ended with the failed Gronk pass (a call I liked) and then the sack. After that OSU took the lead, K-State answered, then the K-State defense failed to get the 4th down stop. After rewatching the 2nd half, I have to stretch it to say Dimel and Miller had a failed plan to start the 2nd half. Maybe they got a bit overconfident in the arm of a WR, but after his 10-12 first half they put him in some situations that didn't ask for extremely tough throws and he couldn't deliver. I'm less ticked about the offensive results and gameplan after I rewatched it actually.

So you agree the play calling sucked to start the 3rd, good.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #96 on: October 06, 2015, 10:07:24 PM »
No, I don't think it sucked.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2015, 10:10:38 PM »
No, I don't think it sucked.
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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #98 on: October 06, 2015, 10:11:56 PM »
The coordinators were overconfident in his performance in the first half, so they they called a bunch of passes to start the 2nd half.  That's what you said.  We had the lead, we should have established the run and ran clock like every Snyder team has tried to do since he came back, especially when undermanned and playing a wide receiver at qb, of course the play calling was dumb.

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Re: 2015 KSU State Purplecat University Injury Report Thread
« Reply #99 on: October 06, 2015, 10:13:48 PM »
No, I don't think it sucked.

Me too, at least initially. That first drive after half after we got the stop really set the tempo for the 3rd quarter. Both of the first two throws on 1st and 2nd down were just off, but the plays left the receivers wide open, with very doable 7-10 yard gains. Instead he overthrows, we stall, and then it just seemed like the rest of the quarter went that way. Had he hit those easy gimmies i feel we'd roll to another TD and really put the game out of reach.
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