Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here

[AbeFroman]

If you're staring at someone's genitalia in the locker room you are a weirdo. No matter the gender identity or sexual preference.

[MakeItRain]

When I was in high school, after gym class we were required to take a shower....and the shower was one big communal shower with a pole in the middle of the room with about 4 shower heads on it so there were 4 girls standing around it totally naked and then another 4 naked girls over on the other side of the communal shower room....

I think it would have been pretty hard to not see if one of the girls had a penis.

We had two different sets of locker rooms/showers and the old showers were set up like that. I still don't remember looking down and seeing peens. I can see how this will make it impossible not to see hoots though.

[Cartierfor3]

I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.

You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.

Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?

MIR, come on bud. Its not that people are lust monsters or can't be trusted or anything else. If it makes a girl uncomfortable to have a person of the opposite sex in the bathroom or locker room then the school should honor that. Really no other reason needs to be said. JHMO.

I mean, locker rooms and restrooms are by design, places of segregation. No one is saying "Hey I won't be in English class with this kid" or something.

Society has segregated personal times for a long time, and I think that's ok.

[MakeItRain]

I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.

You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.

Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?

MIR, come on bud. Its not that people are lust monsters or can't be trusted or anything else. If it makes a girl uncomfortable to have a person of the opposite sex in the bathroom or locker room then the school should honor that. Really no other reason needs to be said. JHMO.

I mean, locker rooms and restrooms are by design, places of segregation. No one is saying "Hey I won't be in English class with this kid" or something.

Society has segregated personal times for a long time, and I think that's ok.

Cartier, how many high schoolers are comfortable being in a locker room with people of the same gender? So you move Lila to the boys locker room, then the parents of the boys protest because their kids are uncomfortable sharing a locker room with a gay boy, what then? If comfort was the standard then no one should use locker rooms.

[Cartierfor3]

95% uncomfortable, and probably 5% weirds to answer your question MIR

[Cartierfor3]

actually probably 99% uncomfortable

[MakeItRain]

Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?

[Cartierfor3]

Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?

well, why are locker rooms and bathrooms even segregated at all?

[Cartierfor3]

I really do appreciate this discussion MIR. I'm not trying to troll or "win" I just want to better understand all sides of this one.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?

well, why are locker rooms and bathrooms even segregated at all?

Yeah, this is my point. If the reason for separate locker rooms isn't so that girls don't have to look at ugly penises then what is the reason?

[sys]

the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender.  i guess we just got used to it cause tradition.  put up some rough ridin' stalls, you cheapo sickos.  you don't make people crap in full view of their classmates, taking a shower should be the same.

[star seed 7]

All the school remodels I've seen in the last 10 years have put in individual shower stalls.

Also I don't think mandatory showering is as prevalent now as when grandma gooch was in school. It wasn't forced when I was in school

[sys]

All the school remodels I've seen in the last 10 years have put in individual shower stalls.

Also I don't think mandatory showering is as prevalent now as when grandma gooch was in school. It wasn't forced when I was in school

kids now have it so easy.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I took weightlifting as one of my gym classes. Guess what... No other girls, so I had the locker room all to myself.

So maybe Lila could enroll in weightlifting as her gym class.

[sonofdaxjones]

Social Services should just go ahead and take the kids away from those parents complaining immediately.

[michigancat]

the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender.  i guess we just got used to it cause tradition.  put up some rough ridin' stalls, you cheapo sickos.  you don't make people crap in full view of their classmates, taking a shower should be the same.

Yes. It should be noted that this girl isn't in PE, so she really just wants to use the girls' restrooms. As I said earlier, who gives a crap about that?

[Mrs. Gooch]

the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender.  i guess we just got used to it cause tradition.  put up some rough ridin' stalls, you cheapo sickos.  you don't make people crap in full view of their classmates, taking a shower should be the same.

Yes. It should be noted that this girl isn't in PE, so she really just wants to use the girls' restrooms. As I said earlier, who gives a crap about that?

My understanding was that she isn't currently enrolled in PE, but she does want to be allowed to use the girls locker room - and then she might enroll in a PE class the next semester....not sure.

[michigancat]

I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.

You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.

Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?

MIR, come on bud. Its not that people are lust monsters or can't be trusted or anything else. If it makes a girl uncomfortable to have a person of the opposite sex in the bathroom or locker room then the school should honor that. Really no other reason needs to be said. JHMO.

I mean, locker rooms and restrooms are by design, places of segregation. No one is saying "Hey I won't be in English class with this kid" or something.

Society has segregated personal times for a long time, and I think that's ok.

Would you have a problem with Lila in the locker room if her penis was chopped off?

[Mrs. Gooch]

the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender.

[star seed 7]

FYI they don't chop off wieners

[AbeFroman]

FYI they don't chop off wieners

Yeah how do people not know this? It was on a South Park episode for goodness sake. Inside out.

[michigancat]

FYI they don't chop off wieners

Yeah how do people not know this? It was on a South Park episode for goodness sake. Inside out.

Cartier is new to this, I'm speaking in terms he can understand.

[8manpick]

My mind is blown that MIR didn't see weens in locker rooms... How does that even work?

[SdK]

I didn't really see weens either. I mean, I'm sure I did with my peripheral vision. But I don't count my peripheral vision when checking out a lady.

[star seed 7]

The only penis I specifically remember seeing was the uncut kid, but I'm sure other dongs crossed my path of vision