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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2015, 05:12:41 PM »

also, obviously girls weren't involved in the making of those sign(s?), amirite fellas? :fatty:

Because girls know the correct usage of apostrophes?

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2015, 05:13:25 PM »

also, obviously girls weren't involved in the making of those sign(s?), amirite fellas? :fatty:

Because girls know the correct usage of apostrophes?

yes! I like how they both had them placed incorrectly

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2015, 05:15:50 PM »
It's a weird issue indeed. I don't blame the girls or parents for being uncomfortable, just as I don't blame the teen for being uncomfortable in the boys locker room and also uncomfortable being "singled out/special".
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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2015, 05:17:45 PM »
Yeah the whole penis in a girls locker room is an issue for me.......hense my suggestion of an all-gender locker  room. If there is going to be one penis, why not a bunch more?

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2015, 05:19:09 PM »
I had a girlfriend who thought the same thing...
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I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.

Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.
There's also brain chemistry involved as well. Sometimes they don't align.

What if someone was born a hermaphrodite and the parents chose one sex but the child grows up feeling as though it is the other sex? I've always viewed it in that context. Freaks of nature happen. We shouldn't treat them likes ones.

I'm not sure asking her to use a more private bathroom that female staff members use qualifies as treating her like a freak, though.
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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2015, 06:04:55 PM »
I had a girlfriend who thought the same thing...

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2015, 06:34:39 PM »
Crapped Rights.  The next big supreme Court case.  Can't prohibit minorities from using bathrooms so why tranzes.    If some woman would come in while I'm whizzing I'd flash her my big hairy ass.  She'd either vomit, poke her eyes out or scream. She can't yell harassment

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2015, 06:55:01 PM »
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.

When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.

I don't understand how people don't believe in evolution when we hear most humans talk every day. Holy rough ridin' crap. "She'll be good once she cuts her dick off." I mean Jesus rough ridin' Christ.

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2015, 07:03:39 PM »
I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.

Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.

This is an issue of sexuality not gender. What you have between your legs doesn't go into play as to what is in your mind. Do you think what is in between your legs is more relevant than what is in a person's head and heart? People are concerned because they don't want some boy with a penis that wears makeup around their naked daughter, all the while it is a lot more likely that their son or daughter is sharing a locker room with someone who's gay.

IMO if someone, especially a teenager, is identifying as transgender what they are going through is much more heavy than that person seeing my daughter's tits. I'm guessing the locker room, any locker room, isn't a comfortable place for that person.

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2015, 09:58:59 PM »
I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr. 

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We should ban male coaches too. What if my daughter has to use the restroom during half time? Also small schools need to build more locker rooms. I can't tell you how many times we had to share locker rooms with the girls players. Sometimes I'd even hear them pee and see them wash their hands. 

People need to get over themselves. Seriously. If there is inappropriate behavior it should properly dealt with. Otherwise, who gives a crap? If someone is that worried about someone checking out there daughter or son. Keep them out of all sports. God forbid a homosexual teammate see them naked or hear them crap. Which has a lot higher likelihood than this student slinging their dong all over the locker room. Who cares someone who doesn't have to is squatting to pee in a stall next to them. I'm sure this student dislikes a penis in the locker and bathroom more than anyone.

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I dont get this. Are these dads afraid this kid has a bigger weasel than they do?
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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2015, 11:21:06 PM »
 It isn't crazy to not want a boy in the girls locker room. 

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This is it.  THIS is where I draw the line. THIS is where I make my stand. I'M GOING TO BE A PERSON OF IDEAS.
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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2015, 11:31:31 PM »
Good for you Spracne.

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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.

When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.

I don't understand how people don't believe in evolution when we hear most humans talk every day. Holy rough ridin' crap. "She'll be good once she cuts her dick off." I mean Jesus rough ridin' Christ.

I read the term "intact male" in The New York Times.

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Mr. Good said he got involved after hearing about a female student who encountered “an intact male” in the girls’ locker room.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/teenagers-protest-a-transgender-students-use-of-the-girls-bathroom.html?referrer=&_r=0

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2015, 11:51:33 PM »
I hope she has a good support system.  Couldn't imagine what it's like.  My aunt(retired university professor) has helped several students traverse this (whatever you want to call it) process and she is amazed at the courage in every situation. 

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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2015, 03:12:29 AM »
I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.

You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.

Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2015, 03:25:48 AM »
I, for some reason, reframed this conversation to be a transgendered person on a sports team and that is not what's happening here. I am sorry for doing that, it was unintentional. That admittedly would likely be an easier situation to deal with than this one is. However, it still really shouldn't be a big deal for two reasons.

1. The most obvious is that girls restrooms have individual stalls. There isn't a scenario where the girls would be unwillingly exposed to penis nor would they be in the position if having to use the toilet with Lila watching. So again I ask what's the real issue here?
2. These people are conflating gender with sexuality. I need someone to tell me why they would be be okay with a gay male using urinals in a boys bathroom but not okay with a transgendered girl using a stall in a girls bathroom? I'm sure many of these people would also object to a gay boy using the boys bathroom but there's no way they would be so comfortable being as vocal about that. I'm also fairly certain that these same people would not have as much of a problem with a gay girl using the girls bathroom.

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2015, 07:48:22 AM »
I posted a fantastic photoshop in this thread but totally effed up the delivery. Was really excited to post it too. :(

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2015, 08:01:48 AM »
I posted a fantastic photoshop in this thread but totally effed up the delivery. Was really excited to post it too. :(

I liked it.

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2015, 08:50:53 AM »
When I was in high school, after gym class we were required to take a shower....and the shower was one big communal shower with a pole in the middle of the room with about 4 shower heads on it so there were 4 girls standing around it totally naked and then another 4 naked girls over on the other side of the communal shower room....

I think it would have been pretty hard to not see if one of the girls had a penis.

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Re: Missourians Encounter Transgender, Decide "Show Me" Doesn't Apply Here
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2015, 08:54:59 AM »
Go on...
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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2015, 08:59:47 AM »
Go on...

I never saw a penis in that locker room. No male coaches ever came into that locker room either.