Your perception of K-State's overall athleticism on a 1 to 5 scale

[Mixed-Nutz]

On a scale of 1-5 for athleticism we are a 4.1.

Our backups are a 2.4. Our issue is depth. The front line guys are fine.

I think this hits the nail on the head.

A follow up question is where would you say Alabama's back ups ranked. 3.5? Freshmen and Sophomores tend to suck at football.

[Big Sam]

I took major conference to mean power 5, like the one KSU is in, and thus measuring them against peers.

When I look at it from that view, it isn't pretty.

Now, how much KSU kids get molded helps make up for some of the raw ability others have, but it ain't pretty.

[LynchMob42]

On a scale of 1-5 for athleticism we are a 4.1.

Our backups are a 2.4. Our issue is depth. The front line guys are fine.

Year by year, this is where we stand as a program. We usually have 20 athletes that would compete for a starting position anywhere in the in conference. We don't often have that level of athlete backing them up.

[Cartierfor3]

If our starters are good, and our backups are not good, then my vote of AVERAGE sounds just about right. IN YOUR FACE DARIS

[Dr Rick Daris]

now wait just a minute, are you guys honestly trying to tell me that our starters are better and more athletic than their backups 

[Dr Rick Daris]

because if so, we're doing it all wrong. i bet on most teams their backups are just as good or even better. i mean can you even imagine how athletic the back up colorado right guard must be? wow i bet super athletic. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

you dorks want so hard for our players to be below average and for bill to be some kind of genius that still manages to win 9 games every year. maybe coach weber can do the same thing in basketball. coach em up coach. talk with bill about how to do it! 

[Cartierfor3]

My perception of the athleticism of teams in the BIG XII.

1. Baylor
2. TCU
3. Oklahoma
4. Oklahoma St
5. Texas
6. KSU
7. WVU
8. Tech
9. ISU
10. Kansas

My perception is we're average athletically.

[Dr Rick Daris]

My perception of the athleticism of teams in the BIG XII.

1. Baylor
2. TCU
3. Oklahoma
4. Oklahoma St
5. Texas
6. KSU
7. WVU
8. Tech
9. ISU
10. Kansas

My perception is we're average athletically.

it's kind of weird how you peg the two best teams in conference as the most athletic and the two worst teams as the least athletic but then switch things up w/ kstate and rank them quite a bit lower than what their results would merit. it's ok though, kstaters as a whole seem to prefer that narrative. i get it. i mean it's still wrong, but i get it.

[Cartierfor3]

so every year, the rankings of teams in terms of athleticism is exactly mirrored in the standings?

[Dr Rick Daris]

so every year, the rankings of teams in terms of athleticism is exactly mirrored in the standings?

you tell me. i'm just going off your rankings and the fact that every team pretty much just falls into place except little ol kstate where our atheletes could never be as good as those at oklahoma state 

so much easier for people to accept the narrative that our athletes are average and bill miracle workers them, than it is to just give them the athletes the credit.

[Mixed-Nutz]

OSU athletes are all shine no grind. We whooped them last year in every facet of the game, but now they are more athletic than us?

Btw, Texas 0-line was very trashy last year.

[michigancat]

so every year, the rankings of teams in terms of athleticism is exactly mirrored in the standings?

you tell me. i'm just going off your rankings and the fact that every team pretty much just falls into place except little ol kstate where our atheletes could never be as good as those at oklahoma state 

so much easier for people to accept the narrative that our athletes are average and bill miracle workers them, than it is to just give them the athletes the credit.

they also hate giving snyder credit for recruiting good athletes! why?

[TownieCat]

now wait just a minute, are you guys honestly trying to tell me that our starters are better and more athletic than their backups 

The athleticism gap between our 1s and 2s is much greater than at schools like Ohio St, Alabama, etc. That's the difference. If one of their studs goes down they replace him with another stud. If one of our studs goes down they get replaced with a 5 heart walk on.

If JV was a thing in college football we would not be very good, at least in terms of athleticism.

[Mixed-Nutz]

now wait just a minute, are you guys honestly trying to tell me that our starters are better and more athletic than their backups 

The athleticism gap between our 1s and 2s is much greater than at schools like Ohio St, Alabama, etc. That's the difference. If one of their studs goes down they replace him with another stud. If one of our studs goes down they get replaced with a 5 heart walk on.

If JV was a thing in college football we would not be very good, at least in terms of athleticism.

Yep, but how many schools have functional depth in the country, 6ish?

[TownieCat]

now wait just a minute, are you guys honestly trying to tell me that our starters are better and more athletic than their backups 

The athleticism gap between our 1s and 2s is much greater than at schools like Ohio St, Alabama, etc. That's the difference. If one of their studs goes down they replace him with another stud. If one of our studs goes down they get replaced with a 5 heart walk on.

If JV was a thing in college football we would not be very good, at least in terms of athleticism.

Yep, but how many schools have functional depth in the country, 6ish?

How many of our 22 starters could go down before you noticed a significant difference in how good our team is? 2? 3?

That number is much larger at several schools, especially at the skill positions.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think our #2 QB is probably more athletic than our #1.

[Mixed-Nutz]

now wait just a minute, are you guys honestly trying to tell me that our starters are better and more athletic than their backups 

The athleticism gap between our 1s and 2s is much greater than at schools like Ohio St, Alabama, etc. That's the difference. If one of their studs goes down they replace him with another stud. If one of our studs goes down they get replaced with a 5 heart walk on.

If JV was a thing in college football we would not be very good, at least in terms of athleticism.

Yep, but how many schools have functional depth in the country, 6ish?

How many of our 22 starters could go down before you noticed a significant difference in how good our team is? 2? 3?

That number is much larger at several schools, especially at the skill positions.

Depends on the guy and the position. But if Baylor or TCU loses one of their studs I think they are hurting to a point where it matters. Bama, FSU and OSU can lose a stud and just move forward because of their collective whole is that damn good.

I think we could survive a corner, TE, FB or DT going down this year. maybe running back. Every thing else we would be hurting.

[Shooter Jones]

[Big Sam]

OSU athletes are all shine no grind. We whooped them last year in every facet of the game, but now they are more athletic than us?

Btw, Texas 0-line was very trashy last year.

But the shine and no grind, as often is, is about how the programs are run.  I'd generally love to have a bit more of the "raw" materials they have at UT, or even OSU.  They just need a better atmosphere to maximize their potential.

[Cartierfor3]

so every year, the rankings of teams in terms of athleticism is exactly mirrored in the standings?

you tell me. i'm just going off your rankings and the fact that every team pretty much just falls into place except little ol kstate where our atheletes could never be as good as those at oklahoma state 

so much easier for people to accept the narrative that our athletes are average and bill miracle workers them, than it is to just give them the athletes the credit.

I watched every game last year. There were IMO 5 games where one team was significantly more athletic than the other:

1. Baylor
2. TCU
3. Tech
4. Kansas
5. ISU

The other conference games, I don't recall PERCIEVING a big difference in athletes one way or the other. And yes, we kicked OSU's ass, but they had the worst offensive execution and QB play i can remember from a Gundy team.

Its perception Daris. the thread is about perception.

[CHONGS]

so every year, the rankings of teams in terms of athleticism is exactly mirrored in the standings?

you tell me. i'm just going off your rankings and the fact that every team pretty much just falls into place except little ol kstate where our atheletes could never be as good as those at oklahoma state 

so much easier for people to accept the narrative that our athletes are average and bill miracle workers them, than it is to just give them the athletes the credit.

they also hate giving snyder credit for recruiting good athletes! why?

doesn't fit the narrative

[Dr Rick Daris]

so every year, the rankings of teams in terms of athleticism is exactly mirrored in the standings?

you tell me. i'm just going off your rankings and the fact that every team pretty much just falls into place except little ol kstate where our atheletes could never be as good as those at oklahoma state 

so much easier for people to accept the narrative that our athletes are average and bill miracle workers them, than it is to just give them the athletes the credit.

they also hate giving snyder credit for recruiting good athletes! why?

they are more comfortable with a good strong midwestern work ethic being the reason for our success than they are with us just having guys that can run faster. having guys that run faster seems kind of cheating/using a shortcut.

[Trim]

Where's dax?

[CHONGS]

In a large sense it's also about Bill being "the face" of the program in all facets.  It's all about LHC Bill Snyder as chess master and the players are just interchangeable faceless pieces*.  Success is solely due to Bill in all aspects.  To give credit to simply having a better player is to lessen the shine on the glory that is Bill's coaching, and in effect lessen the shine on KSU football as an entity.

Now I don't think Bill sees it this way, but like any very successful coach (especially one who turns around a moribund program) he has worshippers.  KSU football for good and for bad* is LHC Bill Snyder football.   

*Until something goes wrong and then they become identifiable as the players unable to "fit in" or understand the system.