White is the New Black

[michigancat]

makes me think she may have motivations beyond just preferring to be considered black.

at the risk of playing at untrained armchair psychiatrist, i think she has an attraction/need to be/or be seen to be a victim.  i suspect that being/pretending to be a black woman was something that facilitated that need.

I think that's fair.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

All people who believe they are something they are not, to the point where they don't even believe their own birth certificate probably should.

not to jump immediately to the most recent hackneyed news event - but a logical extension of that statement would be that the condition of being transgender is a psychological disease.

I mean, believing you are the opposite gender that you physiologically are seems like a psychological disease to me

I agree - or at least a "disorder." Not sure the difference bw those two terms. It is counter to the biological imperative of procreation. But that same rationale applies to homosexuality, and that will really piss some people off.

I'm not sure the biological imperative of procreation is relevant in this sense.  After all, oscar Jenner can identify as a lesbian woman and procreate.  I mean, that is what he actually did.

I think there is a significant distinction between preferring the same gender as a sexual partner and identifying ones gender as different than the physiological gender.

Something tells me that a man self-ID'ng as a lesbian woman is still going to make procreation pretty tough. I'm not saying impossible, but hardly the most efficient arrangement when it comes to reproduction.

[8manpick]

All people who believe they are something they are not, to the point where they don't even believe their own birth certificate probably should.

not to jump immediately to the most recent hackneyed news event - but a logical extension of that statement would be that the condition of being transgender is a psychological disease.

I mean, believing you are the opposite gender that you physiologically are seems like a psychological disease to me

I agree - or at least a "disorder." Not sure the difference bw those two terms. It is counter to the biological imperative of procreation. But that same rationale applies to homosexuality, and that will really piss some people off.

I'm not sure the biological imperative of procreation is relevant in this sense.  After all, oscar Jenner can identify as a lesbian woman and procreate.  I mean, that is what he actually did.

I think there is a significant distinction between preferring the same gender as a sexual partner and identifying ones gender as different than the physiological gender.

Something tells me that a man self-ID'ng as a lesbian woman is still going to make procreation pretty tough. I'm not saying impossible, but hardly the most efficient arrangement when it comes to reproduction.

True, but Caitlyn claims to have always been a woman and seems to have found a way.

[bubbles4ksu]

i rough ridin' love frank zappa. i knew every word of when i was 9 years old.

[michigancat]

has it been discussed how mumped up her parents were/are? they're like determined to bring her down.

[star seed 7]

has it been discussed how mumped up her parents were/are? they're like determined to bring her down.

Yeah, horrible parents

[Mrs. Gooch]

has it been discussed how mumped up her parents were/are? they're like determined to bring her down.

Yeah, horrible parents

All I know is that they adopted a bunch of kids when she was a teenager and then she stole one of them, alleging abuse and turned that kid racist against white people.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

has it been discussed how mumped up her parents were/are? they're like determined to bring her down.

Yeah, horrible parents

All I know is that they adopted a bunch of kids when she was a teenager and then she stole one of them, alleging abuse and turned that kid racist against white people.

Ok, so maybe they aren't that horrible...

[sys]

i'm probably biased, but i think having an unduly large number of children is basically a form of child abuse.  i haven't looked at any data, but i'd be amazed if it isn't deleterious to the children involved.

[Mrs. Gooch]

i'm probably biased, but i think having an unduly large number of children is basically a form of child abuse.  i haven't looked at any data, but i'd be amazed if it isn't deleterious to the children involved.

Are you saying that the parents shouldn't have adopted a bunch of kids?

What if you adopt a bunch of kids that would have otherwise been in foster care and/or orphanages?

[michigancat]

I mean they're just piling on at this point

http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/16/rachel-dolezal-father-lying-brown-crayons-white-african-american/

[sys]

Are you saying that the parents shouldn't have adopted a bunch of kids?

What if you adopt a bunch of kids that would have otherwise been in foster care and/or orphanages?

no, not saying that.  people can live their lives as they please.

that would benefit the adoptees and be deleterious to any other children the adopters had.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Are you saying that the parents shouldn't have adopted a bunch of kids?

What if you adopt a bunch of kids that would have otherwise been in foster care and/or orphanages?

no, not saying that.  people can live their lives as they please.

that would benefit the adoptees and be deleterious to any other children the adopters had.

Well the other kids were teeenagers by the time they adopted, so I would say that it wouldn't be too detrimental to the teenagers at that point except for the evidence that it made Rachel go crazy.

[sys]

I would say that it wouldn't be too detrimental to teenagers.

that would not be my initial hypothesis.  i'd agree that it is probably less detrimental than if they were younger.

[renocat]

New saying - little black lie

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Seems like the NAACP just forced someone to quit solely based on skin color, interesting. ..

Also, this seems like pretty standard psychopathy for the modern day NAACP - left-winged mouthpiece. LGBT people need to step up and make sure this woman can identify however she wants.

[michigancat]

Seems like the NAACP just forced someone to quit solely based on skin color, interesting. ..

Also, this seems like pretty standard psychopathy for the modern day NAACP - left-winged mouthpiece. LGBT people need to step up and make sure this woman can identify however she wants.

Baltimore, MD – For 106 years, the National  Association for the Advancement of Colored People has held a long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds. NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership.  The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal’s advocacy record.  In every corner of this country, the NAACP remains committed to securing political, educational, and economic justice for all people, and we encourage Americans of all stripes to become members and serve as leaders in our organization.

Hate language sent through mail and social media along with credible threats continue to be a serious issue for our units in the Pacific Northwest and across the nation. We take all threats seriously  and encourage the FBI and the Department of Justice to fully investigate each occurrence.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The bigger problem for the NAACP and other race-advocacy groups is that if people can really be allowed to self-identify as whatever race they want, that would be the death knell for affirmative action.

It's already crumbling. I mean, this woman was being investigated for committing fraud on a government application by listing her race as african-american. But is there even a legal definition of what african-american is? How could she possibly be prosecuted for that? Are there any instances of schools rejecting applicants who "fraudulently" list different ethnicities? I'd be very interested to know how that has turned out.

[star seed 7]

It's pretty ridiculous that any form asks for race for any purpose other than anonymous data collection

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NAACP: [couched politically correct drivel. . . "respect" . . . noncommittal white wash . . . "privacy" . . .evaluating] and she's fired.

Michigancat: But look,  [couched politically correct drivel. . . "respect" . . . noncommittal white wash . . . "privacy" . . .evaluating]

[michigancat]

She didn't get fired

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She didn't get fired

Wanna bet?

[michigancat]

Yeah, let's bet on it, fake sugar dick

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She wasn't fired, she's just now allowed to work there anymore. 

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She should bring a 1983 action against the NAACP