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@Jabeez. I heard and learned today that with this type of procedure, they won't let them cut the trunk until they've thoroughly lived with the new transformation for over a year. They have to have constant dr and psych visits for this procedure to be cleared. So there, butthead! Caitlyn will be set free in a year!

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When will the first Transableism victim get an ESPY?

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/02/the-next-wave-of-body-diversity-disabled-by-choice/

The next wave of “body diversity”: Disabled by choice
POSTED AT 12:01 PM ON JUNE 2, 2015 BY ED MORRISSEY

If a person can claim gender based on their mental and emotional orientation, what other forms of “body diversity” exist? The rapid acceptance and even celebration of Caitlyn Jenner’s debut onto the social scene (and social media) may soon bring another form of body diversity into the light, or so the Canada National Post argues today. “We need to move away from pathologizing people,” says Clive Baldwin, including those who chop off their limbs or fake paralysis in order to live as disabled people. “For many, amputation is the only way forward,” the St. Thomas University, Frederickton professor tells Sarah Boesveld, and “it isn’t beyond the pale.”

Really?

"When he cut off his right arm with a 'very sharp power tool,' a man who now calls himself One Hand Jason let everyone believe it was an accident.

But he had for months tried different means of cutting and crushing the limb that never quite felt like his own, training himself on first aid so he wouldn’t bleed to death, even practicing on animal parts sourced from a butcher. …

People like Jason have been classified as 'transabled' — feeling like imposters in their bodies, their arms and legs in full working order.

'We define transability as the desire or the need for a person identified as able-bodied by other people to transform his or her body to obtain a physical impairment,' says Alexandre Baril, a Quebec born academic who will present on 'transability' at this week’s Congress of the Social Sciences and Humanities at the University of Ottawa.

'The person could want to become deaf, blind, amputee, paraplegic. It’s a really, really strong desire.'"

When I first read this, I had to double-check the references and do a little research to make sure this wasn’t something the Daily Currant had launched in the wake of Jenner’s re-emergence. Dr. Clive Baldwin appears to check out as advertised, as the Canada Research Chair in Narrative Studies at St Thomas University, Fredericton. “Narrative studies” sounds a little ambiguous as a discipline, but his website states that he lectured in the UK on mental health in social work and on dementia studies. A YouTube search for more on the topic raised videos spanning at least four years, including an unfortunate Jerry Springer segment, which Springer himself said would be the strangest segment he’d ever done. That’s a tall order, one I’d really prefer not to research, but it’s probably correct. Feel free to click the link, but I’ll pass on embedding it here.

So this is not a hoax, or at least the story isn’t. The impulse to mutilate one’s body in various ways has been known and documented for a long time, but only recently have we begun to accept it as an expression of self rather than a pathology, as Dr. Baldwin dismissively notes. The measure of the latter, though, has never been the sincerity of those impulses but their destructive nature and disconnection from reality.

This brings us to Caitlyn Jenner, of course, and other transgender people who have operations to change their gender to match their mental and emotional identity. There doesn’t seem to be much of a moral or medical difference between surgically removing one’s sexual genitalia to address gender identity issues and removing a leg, arm, or eyeballs to address “transability” issues. One can argue that there is a difference between do-it-yourself “modifications” to chop off one’s arm and a surgeon to remove male genitalia and construct artificial genitalia in its place, and there are differences. The latter has been made much safer, of course, and much more socially acceptable, but that’s only a matter of being ahead on the moral-relativity curve. Surgeons can do amputations, rob eyes of sight, and the like, just as safely as they now perform gender-reassignment surgeries.

That is, in fact, what Baldwin and others propose — to supply medical treatment not to the mental issues that drive these impulses, but to conduct drastic body modifications to cater to those impulses. It won’t be long before we start hearing arguments about the dangers of allowing people to do these amputations and the like on their own as a way to press for allowing and even demanding such surgeries, just the way some now expect taxpayers to pay for gender-reassignment surgeries for prisoners and people on public medical coverage.

Color me much less sanguine than Amanda or AP on this point. We’re celebrating the end of natural and objective truth, and turning dysfunction into virtue on the basis of celebrity. Not only that, but many people suffer from disability without much choice in the matter — my wife, for one, who lost her sight at 24 from diabetic retinopathy. This turns their challenges into sport or status symbols in a very odd manner, and mainstreaming it the way Baldwin suggests legitimizes the fetishization of their pains and struggles.

I don’t wish Caitlyn Jenner any ill will, and I have no problem addressing people by the names or pronouns they wish. That, after all, is their business. However, don’t expect me to wave flags as the parade of self-mutilation keeps processing toward eventual oblivion, regardless of whether that makes me out of step and hopelessly old-fashioned. Western society has become unmoored from objective truth in favor of  anything goes, and I don’t think the end game looks terribly promising — especially with the parallel tyranny of the Tolerance Police punishing any dissent along the way.

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good post, ptolemy.
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One of my facebook friends tagged the promotion for this award on facebook and said this:

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ESPY's are a joke.

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well they are(not for this tho)

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I like the espys. I dislike women's basketball, but I was a mess after watching the Pat Summitt- Ashe Courage award presentation.  :cry:

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I mean it's cool and all I guess, just seems like more grandstanding than anything. The life time and Arthur Ashe awards are legit. But I hate what ESPN has become so I'm bias I guess

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@Jabeez. I heard and learned today that with this type of procedure, they won't let them cut the trunk until they've thoroughly lived with the new transformation for over a year. They have to have constant dr and psych visits for this procedure to be cleared. So there, butthead! Caitlyn will be set free in a year!
Is this in regards to this situation?  I was under the impression she still sees herself sexually, as a straight man attracted to women, but who gender identifies as a woman. 

I mean i just skimmed some business insider articles, so i could be wrong.  But i did read previous to meeting and marrying kris kardashian, then oscar, had been on horomones for 5 months, and stopped them after meeting her.

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@Jabeez. I heard and learned today that with this type of procedure, they won't let them cut the trunk until they've thoroughly lived with the new transformation for over a year. They have to have constant dr and psych visits for this procedure to be cleared. So there, butthead! Caitlyn will be set free in a year!
Is this in regards to this situation?  I was under the impression she still sees herself sexually, as a straight man attracted to women, but who gender identifies as a woman. 

I mean i just skimmed some business insider articles, so i could be wrong.  But i did read previous to meeting and marrying kris kardashian, then oscar, had been on horomones for 5 months, and stopped them after meeting her.
The latest I heard, he wants it snipped. So maybe he still wants to go for girls, but doesn't feel like he needs that utensil.

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@Jabeez. I heard and learned today that with this type of procedure, they won't let them cut the trunk until they've thoroughly lived with the new transformation for over a year. They have to have constant dr and psych visits for this procedure to be cleared. So there, butthead! Caitlyn will be set free in a year!
Is this in regards to this situation?  I was under the impression she still sees herself sexually, as a straight man attracted to women, but who gender identifies as a woman. 

I mean i just skimmed some business insider articles, so i could be wrong.  But i did read previous to meeting and marrying kris kardashian, then oscar, had been on horomones for 5 months, and stopped them after meeting her.
The latest I heard, he wants it snipped. So maybe he still wants to go for girls, but doesn't feel like he needs that utensil.

The women that may want to see him may wish him to have that utensil.

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some super brown posts about this topic, good lord
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I am starving. I very badly want to eat the candy bar in my pocket. When I go to pull it out of my pocket, I accidentally drop it on the floor. There is a dog nearby. The dog sees the candy bar and begins to approach it, wanting to eat it. I know, and everyone in the vicinity can see, that this is the type of chocolate that could be deadly to the dog. I don't want the dog to die, of course, but I also really want to be able to eat the candy bar because I am so hungry. So, I quickly pick it up before the dog has a chance to get it. Many witnesses come over and praise my heroic action which may have saved the dog's life.

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some super brown posts about this topic, good lord
I set this thread up as a trap and you know it!

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knowing chum1, that was no accident.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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I like the espys. I dislike women's basketball, but I was a mess after watching the Pat Summitt- Ashe Courage award presentation.  :cry:

Love Pat Summitt!!

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No joke! Come on people, oscar jenner, or should I call it "caitlyn", isn't news, THIS IS NEWS and deserves more attention than caitlyn.

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