Who is the worst in-game coach in the Big 12?

[michigancat]

Going 4 corners was a huge  But, I still love mocking Barnes haters. They are the same as Mack haters. Barnes has a higher win % at TX than Bob Huggins, Frank Martin, Lon Kruger, Tex Winter, or Jack Hartman at KSU (and oscar weber at any stop in his career). Unless there was some stud who won shitloads from olden days that I don't know about Barnes has a higher win % at TX than any coach ever at KState. And it's not like Texas is some legendary basketball program. Since the 50s they have 1 elite 8 with a coach other than Barnes. And Barnes has never missed the post season (though this year will probably be the second time he missed the NCAA and he had one lol CBI year I can't believe they participated in).

steve dave,

happy birthday

your opinion is wrong on rick barnes

i hope you enjoy your day

tell me why. I enjoy stats and reasoning and long walks on the you looking like an idiot.

Its not about what he does, its about what he does with what he has in the last 5 or so years.

Since the 2008 class, Barnes has brought 16 Top 100 high school recruits to Texas. 7 of those were Top 25 players. 6 of those were McDonald's All Americans. IMO, the results during that time do not live up to recruiting that type of talent.

2009 - 4th in the Big 12, 7 seed and 1-1 in the NCAAs.
2010 - 6th in the Big 12, 8 seed and 0-1 in the NCAAs.
2011 - 2nd in the Big 12, 4 seed and 1-1 in the NCAAs.
2012 - 6th in the Big 12, 11 seed and 0-1 in the NCAAs.
2013 - 7th in the Big 12, under .500 CBI lol appearance (loss).
2014 - 3rd (tie) in the Big 12, 7 seed and 1-1 in the NCAAs.
2015 - 6th in the Big 12, bubble team.

Those types of finishes don't seem to line up with the talent he recruits. Don't get me wrong, that is a decent stretch and I'd probably be happy with it at K-State.

However, if I had a coach that went from finishing in the Big 12 1st (3 times), 2nd (4 times), and 3rd (2 times) with 2 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite 8s, and 1 Final Four in his first 10 years, then I'd probably be looking forward to a change.

Again, are there more than 15 coaches that have done better than the 7 year run you highlight? You could argue an exceptional year (Final Four or conference title) holds more weight but what Barnes has done isn't that easy, regardless of his recruiting.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Drew is probably a better coach today than Barnes. I never would have said that a few years ago. Barnes/Drew haters are usually the same people, though.

[michigancat]

I think Drew is probably a better coach today than Barnes. I never would have said that a few years ago. Barnes/Drew haters are usually the same people, though.

Yeah Drew's definitely a better coach if you throw out the fact that he missed the tourney 3 out of the previous 6 seasons

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

im not a rick barnes hater. i just think hes probably lost it a little. he is a good recruiter and has been a very good coach for texas, but in the last few years hes kind of slowed down. id take him as our coach, fwiw.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Drew and Rick are the only two coaches in the league that will completely change their defense in march (zone to man). I don't respect that.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Drew is probably a better coach today than Barnes. I never would have said that a few years ago. Barnes/Drew haters are usually the same people, though.

Yeah Drew's definitely a better coach if you throw out the fact that he missed the tourney 3 out of the previous 6 seasons

He had 2 elite 8s in 3 years, and a sweet 16 last year. Barnes hasn't been to the second weekend of the tournament in 7 years. Drew is on the way up. Barnes is on the way down. I would have said Barnes is a top 5 coach 7 years ago.

[michigancat]

I think Drew is probably a better coach today than Barnes. I never would have said that a few years ago. Barnes/Drew haters are usually the same people, though.

Yeah Drew's definitely a better coach if you throw out the fact that he missed the tourney 3 out of the previous 6 seasons

He had 2 elite 8s in 3 years, and a sweet 16 last year. Barnes hasn't been to the second weekend of the tournament in 7 years. Drew is on the way up. Barnes is on the way down. I would have said Barnes is a top 5 coach 7 years ago.

I've said it before, but success in the tournament is a poor indicator of how good/bad a coach is.

This year will be the first time Drew has made the tournament in back-to-back years. He's hasn't passed Barnes yet.

[kso_FAN]

Fair or not, having expectations that are driven by 1) what you've proven you can do and 2) how well you recruit is a reasonable.

Barnes' recruiting has not dropped off; if anything it has slightly improved the last 8 years compared to his first 10 at Texas. Barnes had a 7 year run with 2 league titles, 5 Sweet 16s, 3 Elite 8s, and 1 Final Four. He still recruits at a very high level and we know that he is capable of winning this league and making deep tournament runs, yet he's gone 8 years with nothing even close to that previous 7 years span. Yeah, he's still a successful coach compared to a lot of places, but compared to the bar he set for himself and the amount of talent he recruits (basically 3 Top 100s and 1 MCD AA per year) I find it hard to say he's being successful based on the expectations he's set for his program.

[michigancat]

Fair or not, having expectations that are driven by 1) what you've proven you can do and 2) how well you recruit is a reasonable.

Barnes' recruiting has not dropped off; if anything it has slightly improved the last 8 years compared to his first 10 at Texas. Barnes had a 7 year run with 2 league titles, 5 Sweet 16s, 3 Elite 8s, and 1 Final Four. He still recruits at a very high level and we know that he is capable of winning this league and making deep tournament runs, yet he's gone 8 years with nothing even close to that previous 7 years span. Yeah, he's still a successful coach compared to a lot of places, but compared to the bar he set for himself and the amount of talent he recruits (basically 3 Top 100s and 1 MCD AA per year) I find it hard to say he's being successful based on the expectations he's set for his program.

Yeah he's a lot like Roy Williams in that respect

[kso_FAN]

Fair or not, having expectations that are driven by 1) what you've proven you can do and 2) how well you recruit is a reasonable.

Barnes' recruiting has not dropped off; if anything it has slightly improved the last 8 years compared to his first 10 at Texas. Barnes had a 7 year run with 2 league titles, 5 Sweet 16s, 3 Elite 8s, and 1 Final Four. He still recruits at a very high level and we know that he is capable of winning this league and making deep tournament runs, yet he's gone 8 years with nothing even close to that previous 7 years span. Yeah, he's still a successful coach compared to a lot of places, but compared to the bar he set for himself and the amount of talent he recruits (basically 3 Top 100s and 1 MCD AA per year) I find it hard to say he's being successful based on the expectations he's set for his program.

Yeah he's a lot like Roy Williams in that respect

True and Roy recruits even better (This is just ridiculous.) He did have back to back league titles/Elite 8s as recently as the 11 and 12 seasons though.

[0.42]

Yeah I was wrong about the recruiting falloff talking point. Still, he shouldn't be underachieving this much with this group.

[kso_FAN]

Yeah I was wrong about the recruiting falloff talking point. Still, he shouldn't be underachieving this much with this group.

He still does pretty well: http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/texas/recruiting#mcdonalds

I think he's underachieving, but he is the one that set the bar for the program.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

steve dave,

happy birthday

your opinion is wrong on rick barnes

i hope you enjoy your day

tell me why. I enjoy stats and reasoning and long walks on the you looking like an idiot.

-Lost in the 2nd round with rough ridin' Kevin Durant and DJamer Augustin

-Texas is literally the easiest (read: best) job in the country and it's not even close. Coaches get paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, recruiting elite talent is easy pickings, facilities are elite, there's absolutely no pressure on the coach to do anything ever. They could lure a coach from damn near anywhere except maybe 6-7 schools.

-Outside of the blue bloods, history in college basketball is becoming increasingly irrelevant. If you're a P5 program, have a fuckton of money and no other program in your conference outside of Kansas that *should* be able to compete with you long term, you should be in contention for at least a Sweet 16 nearly every season. Under Barnes they aren't.

-He hasn't advanced past the Round of 32 since 2008. From 1998 to 2008 he did an excellent job. But he's lost a step since then.

-His recruiting has fallen off as of late as he's not locking up as many top recruits in Texas. Mind you, Never mind. He still gets enough talent to be the #1 shot blocking team in the country. And they're on the bubble.

-He does crap like the four corners when up 13 points like all the damn time.

Look, I don't think he's terrible. I think he's overall a better coach than Drew, Ford, or (especially) oscar. But like Mack he's lost a step and at this point Texas can do better than him.

Also, what _FAN said.

there are exactly 0 elite basketball facilities that look like a giant concrete statue of flan.

[Spracne]

They sell beer at basketball games. 

[0.42]

They sell beer at basketball games. 

hello friend how are you today

[Spracne]

Wonderful, thank you for asking.

[Clevey 2 Times]

Count me as someone who also would've said very nice things about Barnes about a decade ago. That being said, the guy is not living up to expectations. You can't compare his Texas run over the last seven years to most any other school, it is not an apples to apples comparison. With that talent, they should finish no worse than fourth every year in conference.

Barnes will return though. They don't give a damn about basketball in Austin, so this performance satisfies most.

[kso_FAN]

Good job Rick!

[Trogdor]

It's probably oscar.

[steve dave]

Well, make it 16 out of 17 years for alleged shitty coach Rick Barnes. Idiots.

[kso_FAN]

Well, make it 16 out of 17 years for alleged shitty coach Rick Barnes. Idiots.

I still think he is underachieving given his recruiting, but whatever.

[Stevesie60]

If there's one thing I know about steve dave, it's that he often sways on his stances. Keep on fighting, you guys.

[kso_FAN]

If there's one thing I know about steve dave, it's that he often sways on his stances. Keep on fighting, you guys.

Stick with the Royals, pal.

[CNS]

There was some talk radio chatter last week about Barnes being on a hot seat.  I was hoping he would get fired and that we would hire him.

[kso_FAN]

There was some talk radio chatter last week about Barnes being on a hot seat.  I was hoping he would get fired and that we would hire him.

Do you think he'd recruit 3 top 100s and 1 McDAA per year to Manhattan?