Well hello there SAE

[lopakman]

If I was in college now I don't know if I'd join a fraternity.  I think it's sad that the heads of national fraternities are telling new members to do as we say not as we did.  Now I understand certain things often were taken too far but good grief what is this with initiating new members in like 3 weeks?  I personally felt I grew up a lot during pledgeship due to having structure for the first time in my life.  I honestly needed it and when I/we got initiated it felt like I/we earned something because I/we spent an entire semester getting hazed pretty badly.  Now it's hey wanna join our fraternity?  Okay, say this oath and you're in.   

Also dry houses? 

I enjoyed having my face hazed off.

ikr and how great was it that after only one semester you got to spend the next three and a half years having all your meals prepared for you and then cleaned up after, your house cleaned for you, always having a designated driver and my fav part, human alarm clocks because pledges are way more reliable then those cheap alarm clocks you get at Walmart.

sounds just like living at home with mom and dad! 

Mom and Dad wouldn't let girls sleepover 

[Brock Landers]

If I was in college now I don't know if I'd join a fraternity.  I think it's sad that the heads of national fraternities are telling new members to do as we say not as we did.  Now I understand certain things often were taken too far but good grief what is this with initiating new members in like 3 weeks?  I personally felt I grew up a lot during pledgeship due to having structure for the first time in my life.  I honestly needed it and when I/we got initiated it felt like I/we earned something because I/we spent an entire semester getting hazed pretty badly.  Now it's hey wanna join our fraternity?  Okay, say this oath and you're in.   

Also dry houses? 

I've never understood people willingly getting hazed, are most people just that weak willed?

I don't associate being hazed with being weak willed.  In fact I find there are many pros to it such as bringing a group of people closer, weeding out people who don’t want to take the process seriously, teaches humility, promotes discipline and a sense of shared pride.  And ask anyone here who in a Fraternity which hazed and they'll tel you looking back at it you just laugh and it makes for some great stories when you get together with your pledge bros.

And lets be honest there was no beatings, and no one was forced to do crap like the elephant walk or eff sheep.

Pretty much all of this can be done without hazing.

[Dugout DickStone]

Not gonna go into that but I'll tell you a few rules we had to follow which helped me tremendously.

Up by 8:00 am Mon-Fri.  (kept me from staying up to late and sleeping through class)
Mandatory study hours 9-11 am and 7-10 pm Sun-Thurs (GPA 3.4 my freshman semester)
No skipping classes/get caught skipping class you get a strike.  Three strikes you don't get initiated (see above GPA 3.4 my freshman semester)
No alcohol Sun-Thurs (again kept me from skipping class and flunking out)
House Duties/cleaning/etc (fixing stuff, doing house projects helped me learn to take pride in what I was doing and gave me some structure I felt)
Only allowed to go home for the weekend three times pledge semester. (taught me can't just run home when things get tough)

One rule that sucked and may now fall under the definition of hazing but didn't when I was in college.

6:00 am worksession cleaning house every Saturday morning.  Although sometimes as soon as worksession was over usually around 8:00 am we'd head down to the Lou and do some morning drinking. 


Pledgeship was one semester and then one month second semester and then Hell Week.  For me it was a small price to pay for what I felt I learned and gained from the experience.  I think you can have a great college experience without being in a Fraternity or a Sorority and I'm sure you and many here did.  For me joining a Fraternity was something I always knew I wanted to do and for me it didn't disappoint.

Now the hazing, oh man do I have some stories  and 

That's very similar except we had to go to campus once we were awake. 

[meow meow]

If I was in college now I don't know if I'd join a fraternity.  I think it's sad that the heads of national fraternities are telling new members to do as we say not as we did.  Now I understand certain things often were taken too far but good grief what is this with initiating new members in like 3 weeks?  I personally felt I grew up a lot during pledgeship due to having structure for the first time in my life.  I honestly needed it and when I/we got initiated it felt like I/we earned something because I/we spent an entire semester getting hazed pretty badly.  Now it's hey wanna join our fraternity?  Okay, say this oath and you're in.   

Also dry houses? 

I enjoyed having my face hazed off.

ikr and how great was it that after only one semester you got to spend the next three and a half years having all your meals prepared for you and then cleaned up after, your house cleaned for you, always having a designated driver and my fav part, human alarm clocks because pledges are way more reliable then those cheap alarm clocks you get at Walmart.

sounds just like living at home with mom and dad! 

Mom and Dad wouldn't let girls sleepover

good thing for fraternities then!

[Dugout DickStone]

I never actually got hazed because I was a rage monster who would throw down at the drop of a hat. 

[lopakman]

Not gonna go into that but I'll tell you a few rules we had to follow which helped me tremendously.

Up by 8:00 am Mon-Fri.  (kept me from staying up to late and sleeping through class)
Mandatory study hours 9-11 am and 7-10 pm Sun-Thurs (GPA 3.4 my freshman semester)
No skipping classes/get caught skipping class you get a strike.  Three strikes you don't get initiated (see above GPA 3.4 my freshman semester)
No alcohol Sun-Thurs (again kept me from skipping class and flunking out)
House Duties/cleaning/etc (fixing stuff, doing house projects helped me learn to take pride in what I was doing and gave me some structure I felt)
Only allowed to go home for the weekend three times pledge semester. (taught me can't just run home when things get tough)

One rule that sucked and may now fall under the definition of hazing but didn't when I was in college.

6:00 am worksession cleaning house every Saturday morning.  Although sometimes as soon as worksession was over usually around 8:00 am we'd head down to the Lou and do some morning drinking. 


Pledgeship was one semester and then one month second semester and then Hell Week.  For me it was a small price to pay for what I felt I learned and gained from the experience.  I think you can have a great college experience without being in a Fraternity or a Sorority and I'm sure you and many here did.  For me joining a Fraternity was something I always knew I wanted to do and for me it didn't disappoint.

Now the hazing, oh man do I have some stories  and 

That's very similar except we had to go to campus once we were awake.

lol we had to go to campus too until a bunch of us got caught going to Ford Hall and sleeping there.  Then we had to stay at the house and study in the chapter room.

[DQ12]

i don't really consider study hours and house chores "hazing," although i guess it could fit into the definition.  when i think of hazing, i think of stuff meant to degrade pledges for the amusement of actives under the theory that it makes pledges forge a bond -- i think that stuff is for the birds.

[star seed 7]

If I was in college now I don't know if I'd join a fraternity.  I think it's sad that the heads of national fraternities are telling new members to do as we say not as we did.  Now I understand certain things often were taken too far but good grief what is this with initiating new members in like 3 weeks?  I personally felt I grew up a lot during pledgeship due to having structure for the first time in my life.  I honestly needed it and when I/we got initiated it felt like I/we earned something because I/we spent an entire semester getting hazed pretty badly.  Now it's hey wanna join our fraternity?  Okay, say this oath and you're in.   

Also dry houses? 

I enjoyed having my face hazed off.

ikr and how great was it that after only one semester you got to spend the next three and a half years having all your meals prepared for you and then cleaned up after, your house cleaned for you, always having a designated driver and my fav part, human alarm clocks because pledges are way more reliable then those cheap alarm clocks you get at Walmart.

sounds just like living at home with mom and dad! 

Mom and Dad wouldn't let girls sleepover

Your mom and dad sound like squares

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

i don't really consider study hours and house chores "hazing," although i guess it could fit into the definition.  when i think of hazing, i think of stuff meant to degrade pledges for the amusement of actives under the theory that it makes pledges forge a bond -- i think that stuff is for the birds.

i would have hazed you so bad if we were in the same frat

[DQ12]

i don't really consider study hours and house chores "hazing," although i guess it could fit into the definition.  when i think of hazing, i think of stuff meant to degrade pledges for the amusement of actives under the theory that it makes pledges forge a bond -- i think that stuff is for the birds.

i would have hazed you so bad if we were in the same frat

Great one TTHOTUC! 

[MakeItRain]

i was a pledge almost 10 years ago, and everyone took making sure all that didn't happen very seriously. given how ridiculously sensitive everyone is now, there's no way it has gotten worse, and anything you hear is going to be an outlier. still, fraternities are going to be the most polarizing group, cause more people are yoloing. which is way better than everyone being a square, unless you are a huge square (mir).

LOL, this dude just called me a huge square. Is there anything more rough ridin' dorky than calling someone a square?

[MakeItRain]

If I was in college now I don't know if I'd join a fraternity.  I think it's sad that the heads of national fraternities are telling new members to do as we say not as we did.  Now I understand certain things often were taken too far but good grief what is this with initiating new members in like 3 weeks?  I personally felt I grew up a lot during pledgeship due to having structure for the first time in my life.  I honestly needed it and when I/we got initiated it felt like I/we earned something because I/we spent an entire semester getting hazed pretty badly.  Now it's hey wanna join our fraternity?  Okay, say this oath and you're in.   

Also dry houses? 

I've never understood people willingly getting hazed, are most people just that weak willed?

I don't associate being hazed with being weak willed.  In fact I find there are many pros to it such as bringing a group of people closer, weeding out people who don’t want to take the process seriously, teaches humility, promotes discipline and a sense of shared pride.  And ask anyone here who in a Fraternity which hazed and they'll tel you looking back at it you just laugh and it makes for some great stories when you get together with your pledge bros.

And lets be honest there was no beatings, and no one was forced to do crap like the elephant walk or eff sheep.

Pretty much all of this can be done without hazing.

Exactly. I had an incredible experience being a Lambda Chi, there was no motherfucking way me or anyone else was going to get hazed. Was there someone who made an associate do something they shouldn't have done? Maybe, but that wasn't institutional, not a part of any bonding process, and I'd like to think that if someone caught a brother hazing someone we would have dealt with it.

[stunted]

i was a pledge almost 10 years ago, and everyone took making sure all that didn't happen very seriously. given how ridiculously sensitive everyone is now, there's no way it has gotten worse, and anything you hear is going to be an outlier. still, fraternities are going to be the most polarizing group, cause more people are yoloing. which is way better than everyone being a square, unless you are a huge square (mir).

LOL, this dude just called me a huge square. Is there anything more rough ridin' dorky than calling someone a square?

LOL, this dude just called me a huge dork. The guy who goes around goEMAW wagging his finger at everything. Is there anything more rough ridin' dorky than calling someone a dork?

[slobber]

(Except at the rapes the hazing, that stuff isn't )


Gonna win 'em all!

[chum1]

LOL structure and getting up early. In college. eff that crap.

[lopakman]

If I was in college now I don't know if I'd join a fraternity.  I think it's sad that the heads of national fraternities are telling new members to do as we say not as we did.  Now I understand certain things often were taken too far but good grief what is this with initiating new members in like 3 weeks?  I personally felt I grew up a lot during pledgeship due to having structure for the first time in my life.  I honestly needed it and when I/we got initiated it felt like I/we earned something because I/we spent an entire semester getting hazed pretty badly.  Now it's hey wanna join our fraternity?  Okay, say this oath and you're in.   

Also dry houses? 

I've never understood people willingly getting hazed, are most people just that weak willed?

I don't associate being hazed with being weak willed.  In fact I find there are many pros to it such as bringing a group of people closer, weeding out people who don’t want to take the process seriously, teaches humility, promotes discipline and a sense of shared pride.  And ask anyone here who in a Fraternity which hazed and they'll tel you looking back at it you just laugh and it makes for some great stories when you get together with your pledge bros.

And lets be honest there was no beatings, and no one was forced to do crap like the elephant walk or eff sheep.

Pretty much all of this can be done without hazing.

Exactly. I had an incredible experience being a Lambda Chi, there was no motherfucking way me or anyone else was going to get hazed. Was there someone who made an associate do something they shouldn't have done? Maybe, but that wasn't institutional, not a part of any bonding process, and I'd like to think that if someone caught a brother hazing someone we would have dealt with it.

That is great mir!  I also had an incredible experience at Delta Tau Delta, and hazing was a part of that experience.  Looks like we both got exactly what we wanted out of respective fraternities.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

do you ever go back and visit the DTD house now to see if its changed?

[Emo EMAW]

Ha I could so tell lopakman was a delt. That or $1.65.

[lopakman]

do you ever go back and visit the DTD house now to see if its changed?

I usually drive by whenever I'm in Manhattan.  It makes a lovely church

[MakeItRain]

Ha I could so tell lopakman was a delt. That or $1.65.

$1.65's don't haze. I would have guessed TKE, they seem haze-y.

[8manpick]

Hazing isn't so bad most of the time. Lighten up, PC Bros

[MakeItRain]

Hazing isn't so bad most of the time. Lighten up, PC Bros

I know what you're doing there so I'm not necessarily talking to you but applying the phrase "PC" to someone against hazing may by the grossest misapplication of the most misapplied phrase in America. Nothing political about not wanting to pull another guys crank, or binge drinking to the point of alcohol poisoning, or having to give a sister mani/pedis all year, or whatever. I consider it not wanting to be mumped with.

[8manpick]

Hazing isn't so bad most of the time. Lighten up, PC Bros

I know what you're doing there so I'm not necessarily talking to you but applying the phrase "PC" to someone against hazing may by the grossest misapplication of the most misapplied phrase in America. Nothing political about not wanting to pull another guys crank, or binge drinking to the point of alcohol poisoning, or having to give a sister mani/pedis all year, or whatever. I consider it not wanting to be mumped with.

[cfbandyman]

Glad my fraternity didn't have hazing, or at least nothing that I felt was hazing. Plus I don't like hazing people, and all the other guys in the house were of the same mind. I mean if it makes you happy I guess do it but it seems pointless and unproductive. We were able to bond and become good friends without needing to be assholes about it. Also the house I was in was very small when I joined, all the guys were too busy having to deal with the everything of running a house, going to school, and doing jobs, hazing seemed like a quick way to jettison members rather than keep them involved. Why do you have to demean someone anyways to make yourself feel good or even feel like they have proven their worth to join the house? Just stupid.

[wetwillie]

Glad my fraternity didn't have hazing, or at least nothing that I felt was hazing. Plus I don't like hazing people, and all the other guys in the house were of the same mind. I mean if it makes you happy I guess do it but it seems pointless and unproductive. We were able to bond and become good friends without needing to be assholes about it. Also the house I was in was very small when I joined, all the guys were too busy having to deal with the everything of running a house, going to school, and doing jobs, hazing seemed like a quick way to jettison members rather than keep them involved. Why do you have to demean someone anyways to make yourself feel good or even feel like they have proven their worth to join the house? Just stupid.

Delta Oops I signed?